Archive for the 'ATF' Category

July 09, 2019

Some day, gunnies will learn to stop asking ATF for clarification

Adam Kraut:

Late yesterday, I received an email from an individual containing a letter from ATF which was a response to a correspondence requesting the correct method to measure a firearm with a stabilizing brace and folding adaptor. It was explained that the correspondence was sent in the form of an email over a year ago and that the person had received a response via email shortly after it was sent. This letter was unsolicited and came over a year after the original request and response.

Read the whole thing.

June 19, 2019

ATF guns go bye bye

So, someone at ATF has been stealing the confiscated guns.

June 10, 2019

New ATF director

The NSSF is a fan.

May 30, 2019

Speaking of air guns and ATF

Seems someone in China is making Glock conversion .

Do the units for Airsoft guns work on the real deal?

Speaking of ATF

The head of the Fraternal Order of Police will be taking over the agency.

Bleg: Any of you heard of this?

My google-fu is not finding the news source. But a poster at Subguns says:

ATF goes after airgun suppressor mfgs

Recently the airgun world has been pushing the limits of the law to the point of making aluminum body suppressors with monocore baffles and versions of aluminum k baffles.

The old ruling was if the suppressor was permanently attached, if it couldnt be used on a firearm it was OK. Well some idiot in FL started making and marketing ones that easily work on a rimfire (he puts the words airgun only on them) and some idiot in CT got popped for using an airgun suppressor on CZ rifle with an adapter going 1/2 28 to 1/2 UNF (sold by the same company) to allow you to use the suppressor on rimfires where legal.

Another company has started making the same style suppressors and decided to name them after old SWR suppressors. A new Trident suppressor is out and its airgun only but I guess a guy in MI figured out it works on rimfires. WTF people

May 15, 2019

Safe storage

ATF contractor busted for stealing guns from the agency.

May 02, 2019

ATF: No bump stocks used in a crime

In response to a FOIA request, ATF responds. Since this runs counter to the information about the Vegas shooting, it should make for even more conspiracy theories. Or it’s because ATF wasn’t allowed to inspect those guns.

April 03, 2019

Bumpstock numbers

Taking the ATFs low estimate of 280,000 BSTDs sold, they have achieved a miraculous 0.30% compliance rate.

April 01, 2019

Hey, remember that shooting in Vegas?

Turns out, the ATF was only allowed to look at the guns and not disassemble them. And concluded nothing on the exterior indicated the were machine guns.

March 13, 2019

I’d like to buy a vowel

Looks like the Trump admin wants to take the A and the T out of ATF:

Like last year, the Trump administration proposes shifting part of the work of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives away. Under the proposal, alcohol and tobacco enforcement would move to the Treasury Department so that ATF could focus more on guns, explosives and arson.​ The same proposal was made last year and went nowhere in Congress.

Get rid of the F too.

February 13, 2019

Politicizing the ATF

From David Codrea:

During the briefing, the Chief Counsels Office provided a written brief and a PowerPoint presentation, which discussed automatically and single function of a trigger. The brief and PowerPoint presentation, based on the intent of Congress and the statutory text, detailed how even the Akins Accelerator was not a machinegun. However, Acting Director Sullivan decided, against the advice of the Chief Counsels Office, to declare the Akins Accelerator a machinegun.

It was political.

January 03, 2019

NFRTR data

Someone sent a FOIA request to ATF on the database that tracks machineguns and got this:

Pre 86 (transferables): 175,977
Sales Samples (pre May keepers): 17,020
Restricted 922(o) (posties): 297,667

December 19, 2018

About that bump stock ban

There has already been a lawsuit filed against the ban:

Today, attorneys for an owner of a bump-stock device and three constitutional rights advocacy organizations filed a federal lawsuit against the Trump Administrations new confiscatory ban on firearm parts, additionally challenging Matthew Whitakers legal authority to serve as Acting Attorney General and issue rules without being nominated to the role and confirmed by the Senate or by operation of law. A copy of the court filings can be viewed at

The plaintiffs also filed a motion seeking a temporary injunction to prevent the Trump Administration from implementing and enforcing the new regulation. The lawsuit, captioned as Guedes, et al. v. BATFE, et al., is backed by Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC), Firearms Policy Foundation (FPF), and Madison Society Foundation (MSF), also institutional plaintiffs in the case.

Meanwhile, the NRA is disappointed.

And if you need instructions on how to properly destroy your bump stock, that you may have lost in a boating accident, the ATF has instructions.

While we gun nuts no that this a stupid ruling with no basis in the law, I doubt that we will win this issue due to public perception and the general ignorance about firearms most people have.

December 13, 2018

From Vice, even

Prosecutors don’t want jurors to know about Operation Fast and Furious:

Operation Fast and Furious is among the most epic boondoggles in the history of federal law enforcement, which probably explains why federal prosecutors dont want jurors in the trial of Sinaloa cartel leader Joaqun El Chapo Guzmn to hear anything about it.

Fast and Furious was intended as a sting operation by the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms to bust gun-runners and straw purchasers along the border. But it ultimately led to American firearms being sent to Mexican cartels and later linked to murders, including the fatal shootings of a Border Patrol agent in 2010 and an ICE agent in 2011.

Altogether, the ATF lost track of about 2,000 weapons, some of which ended up in the hands of El Chapos Sinaloa cartel. Most notably, after El Chapo was captured following a shootout in the city of Los Mochis in 2016, a Barrett .50-caliber rifle linked to Fast and Furious was found inside the drug lords hideout.

December 12, 2018

To avoid another bump stock type decision

ATF will no longer issue accessories classifications. All accessories must be attached to a firearm.

December 06, 2018

Did they give the Mexican cartels gift cards?

ATF tries to be helpful. Hilarity ensues.

December 04, 2018

So, duty to report?

The ATF had a machine gun and a handgun stolen out of one of their vehicles.

November 15, 2018

And like that, thousands of people are felons

I interrupt a blogging break for this breaking news.

It appears that the Department of Justice is about to ban bump stocks. I say about to because the Final Action is slated for the imaginary date of 12/00/2018. The new rule:

This rule is intended to clarify that the statutory definition of machinegun includes certain devices (i.e., bump-stock-type devices) that, when affixed to a firearm, allow that firearm to fire automatically with a single function of the trigger, such that they are subject to regulation under the National Firearms Act (NFA) and the Gun Control Act (GCA). The rule will amend 27 CFR 447.11, 478.11, and 479.11 to clarify that bump-stock-type devices are machineguns as defined by the NFA and GCA because such devices allow a shooter of a semiautomatic firearm to initiate a continuous firing cycle with a single pull of the trigger. Specifically, these devices convert an otherwise semiautomatic firearm into a machinegun by functioning as a self-acting or self-regulating mechanism that harnesses the recoil energy of the semiautomatic firearm in a manner that allows the trigger to reset and continue firing without additional physical manipulation of the trigger by the shooter.

This is nonsense because the assertion that allow that firearm to fire automatically with a single function of the trigger is demonstrably false. This should require a law passed by congress, which this rule unironically acknowledges. And then there’s the analysis of the rule’s economic impact being significant:

The rule will be “economically significant,” that is, the rule will have an annual effect on the economy of $100 million, or adversely affect in a material way the economy, a sector of the economy, the environment, public health or safety or State, local or tribal governments or communities. ATF estimates the total cost of this rule at $320.9 million over 10 years. The total 7% discount cost is estimated at $234.1 million, and the discounted costs would be $39.6 million and $39.2 million annualized at 3% and 7% respectively. The estimate includes costs to the public for loss of property ($102,470,977); costs of forgone future production and sales ($213,031,753); and costs for disposal ($5,448,330). Unquantified costs include lost employment, notification to bump-stock-type device owners of the need to destroy the bump-stock-type devices, and loss of future usage by the owners of bump-stock-type devices. ATF did not calculate any cost savings for this final rule. It is anticipated that the rule will cost $129,222,483 million in the first year (the year with the highest costs). This cost includes the first-year cost to destroy or modify all existing bump-stock-type devices, including unsellable inventory and opportunity cost of time.

They are willing to destroy a lot of economic value and make a lot of people criminals with an arbitrary and unlawful ruling. So, all you folks who bought bump stocks, what are you going to do when this thing passes?

November 01, 2018

Quote of the Day


The government thinks interpretation of firearm law by the ATF and distributed to the public is too confusing for a jury to understand when explained to them by two or more lawyers. And they will prosecute individuals who violate the privately held interpretation of the prosecutor and suppress any interpretation publicly distributed by the ATF.

October 29, 2018

NFA laws are dumb, part whatever

The ATF charged a man, who had a pistol brace on his rifle, for possessing a short barreled rifle. The man was following their ruling.

October 18, 2018

It’s still illegal


Vietnam War hero sentenced to 7 years for decades-old rifle purchase: report

It’s a pretty heart-wrenching story, to be sure. But there is no NFA exception for 70 year old veterans.

October 15, 2018

Over at Judicial Watch

Tom Fitton on NRA TV: Obama ATF Tried to Do End-Run Around 2nd Amendment by Banning Ammo

October 01, 2018

Perhaps not arbitrarily making gun laws is a start?

A year after Vegas shooting, ATF emails reveal blame, alarm over bump stocks.

ATF stated they were suddenly thrown into the political by NRA, who pointed out they were ATF approved.

September 11, 2018

More NFA silliness

People put forth a lot of time and effort in getting around NFA laws. The latest is the bicep brace:

Basically, because some gun laws ban things “that are shouldered”, this, and the arm braces before them, get around the whole shouldering thing. It’s ATF approved.

More info here.

August 27, 2018

But muh iron pipeline

It’s often asserted by the anti-gun side that guns used in crimes in states with strict gun control mostly come from out of state. In fact, the anti-gunners made up the term “iron pipeline” to refer to this. Turns out:

ATF finds nearly half of guns traced last year in Maryland were bought locally

August 21, 2018

ATF claims there’s no database

From a poster at

send a FOIA request to ATF for the registration history of my pre-86 MGs, just in case. Included the address for NFA branch and my serial and model numbers in the request, just in case my request was assigned to an idiot.

Got a response today, signed by the head of the disclosure division, clearly, unambiguously, and twice stating that ATF has not maintained any data on any registration of any firearms since 1979, none, and since ATF has no firearms registration data, at all, my request is denied.

I’d like to see the FOIA. I’m not an expert on NFA firearms law but, as I understand it, ATF maintains the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record. If there saying there is no such record, that would be kind of a big deal.

August 16, 2018

Las Vegas shooting stuff

Apparently, ATF was not allowed to inspect the shooter’s weapons. This, according to Len Savage, is not good:

ATF did not disclose that they had not examined the firearms prior to promulgating the rule, firearms designer and Historic Arms, LLC President Len Savage notes. And now that the comment period is closed should they go forward with this rule under the Administrative Procedure Act that information can not be used in a court challenge because it was not submitted prior to closing of comments.

DOJ is manipulating the APA to make sure that information will NOT be used to shoot down the rule, Savage concludes. Does ATF prosecute its firearms cases like it promulgates rules, without ever looking at the evidence? ATF is currently attempting to criminalize an industry and a large swath of the population and NEVER looked at any evidence? They claim they were not allowed’? By whom?

August 07, 2018

Most of you probably know this

But in case you don’t: The ATF Explains the Law Surrounding 3D-Printed Guns

Hint, there really aren’t any.

July 30, 2018

Another oddity of current gun laws

ATF has determined that bolt action .50 caliber upper receivers for AR-15s are firearms. Technically, I don’t think they are wrong.