If ATF were held to standards they hold dealers to . . .
ATF lost track of at least 31,000 rounds of ammo.
ATF lost track of at least 31,000 rounds of ammo.
But I doubt it will go anywhere: Yes, The ATF ARE Investigating The Dumb Anti-Gun Virginia Candidate Who Sawed The Barrel Of An AR-15
The Justice Department wants more money so ATF can process NFA paperwork faster. And I’m sure the always think forfeiture crowd will only use the money for that.
New Gun Bill Would Mandate Reporting of Buyers Blocked by Background Check:
A bipartisan group of senators today unveiled legislation requiring federal authorities to notify state law enforcement officials when a person barred from purchasing a gun attempts to do so.
Shouldn’t they maybe inform the ATF?
Some idiot decided to destroy his AR-15 after the Florida shooting to keep a gun off the street or something. The problem for this guy is that he just cut the barrel. That gun can still fire. But it won’t cycle. So he has, inadvertently, made a short barreled rifle, which is illegal.
At least this other idiot did it right.
I laughed. That that could be a serious philosophical exercise shows how silly gun regulations and laws are.
The Trace, on noting that only 13% of respondents to ATF’s bumpstock request support gun control, gets a little butthurt:
The results of our analysis showcase a paradox of the gun debate. While widespread public support exists for many gun regulations and policies from bump stocks to background checks pro-gun advocates are significantly more active than their counterparts when it comes to engaging politicians and government agencies.
That’s because our side actually has a grassroots movement. You don’t. People are passionate about rights. Less so about infringing on them.
Charged with selling armor piercing ammo to the shooter. Looks more like a technical sort of violation and not any ill intent.
They have to do something. This is something. So it must be done.
The Trump admin plans to strip the alcohol and tobacco enforcement powers of ATF.
The ATF has proposed a rule to ban bump stocks at the Federal Register. They would like comments from industry types and gun owners. You can submit your comment here.
The ATF is looking to classify bump stocks as machine guns:
Tomorrow, ATF will publish an Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking regarding the application of the definition of machinegun to Bump Fire stocks and other similar devices. As many have feared, it appears that the regulatory agency is soliciting information to help draft a rule which may potentially lump bump fire stocks, binary triggers, etc., within the definition of machinegun.
The law is the law until they say it’s not.
Justice and ATF are looking to ban bump stocks:
Possessing firearm parts that are used exclusively in converting a weapon into a machine gun is illegal, except for certain limited circumstances, U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) said in a joint statement. Today we begin the process of determining whether or not bump stocks are covered by this prohibition.
That whole Vegas shooting thing has really dropped of the radar, hasn’t it? Wonder why.
The Closing the Bump Stock Loophole Act. It’s not a loophole, unless loophole means something we don’t like. As to the bill, it looks like it would classify the devices as NFA items, subject to the $200 tax and all that. The bill was written with ATF “guidance and advice”.
This looks like a better* of other proposals that could outlaw after market triggers.
And, as I’ve said before, if this passes, gun owners need to get something in return.
* I’m using that word loosely. It’s still a dumb law. But at least it looks like it’s written by someone who isn’t ignorant of current law.
The Brady Campaign is suing the ATF. Seems the Brady bunch filed a Freedom of Information Act request and ATF didn’t respond.
Jacob Sullum points out that the NRA is playing a dangerous game on this bumpstock business:
The NRA opposes a legislative ban on bump stocks but wants the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) to reconsider the question of whether they are legal. The administrative approach favored by the NRA invites unelected bureaucrats to rewrite a statute for political purposes, undermining the rule of law and the separation of powers.
*snip*
The NRA has tried to divert that response by urging the ATF to “immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law.” On Face the Nation last week, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre noted that “it’s illegal to convert a semiautomatic to a fully automatic,” adding, “We think ATF ought to do its job, look at this, and draw a bright line.”
As a wookie-suiter myself, I agree with his point. However, I think NRA’s motivation is more political. And brilliant. They throw the blame at the Obama administration. Take the popular view on bumpstocks. And get in a jab at ATF. And it panders to the Trump base.
The conspiratorial side of me can’t rule out they took this position because they don’t want to put it to a congressional that vote they’d later have to grade.
Bump stocks do not convert semiautomatics into machine guns.
The fallout and eventual attempt to legislate these away (which seems to be ATF’s goal, as opposed to NRA who thinks ATF should reevaluate their ruling) will be interesting. If legislated away, what happens to those already in possession? I mean, you cannot add new machine guns to the registry. And you can’t have an ex post facto law banning these things, I would think. I’m not a lawyer. But I recall when ATF changed its mind on the Akins Accelerator. People got to keep the stocks but had to turn in the springs.
The ATF guy who greenlighed the bumpstock: We could not find a way to classify it as a machine gun
Do you guys not remember the mental gymnastics you went through on the street sweepers? Or your various whoopsies, like with the Akins Accelerator or pistol braces. I guess they just weren’t committed enough this time for some reason.
The bump stock. They’re all the rage on the internet right now:
The rubber band. The evils of common office supplies:
A bump board. Evil, evil carpentry materials:
Shoestrings. No video I can show because that has actually been ruled illegal by ATF. And I wouldn’t want to incriminate some poor guy. But here’s a legal one registered with ATF:
Using your fingers. Look, ma, no evil stocks, framing materials or office supplies needed:
And there’s probably other ways that I am not familiar with. And the click baity title is a joke.
No, I don’t think a ban is a good thing. If we ban those, we’d need to ban rubber bands and boards. But here’s the statement. Based on the statement, I’m presuming they see the writing on the wall. They do not call for a ban. The want the ATF to look at the issue again. They also point out that it was Obama’s ATF that gave the OK to bump stocks. And it gives a nod to national reciprocity. Overall, it’s a pretty brilliant approach to it.
I think these things will be banned. I think it’s stupid to ban them. However, a derpy product that I didn’t want a week ago and still don’t want now is not exactly the fight I’m willing to focus on. As I said before, if they ban this then the pro-gun side better get something out of it. You know, compromise and all that. And we should go for reciprocity and if we add bump stocks to the NFA, we should remove silencers. The Second Amendment Foundation seems to agree.
What options does the ATF have?
And this guy went full retard: Second Amendment supporter and Tennessee resident destroys AR-15 bump stock, calls for it to be outlawed. Just to get some TeeVee time. Sad.
Remember way back in 2012 when David Gregory, clearly breaking DC law, held up an AR-15 magazine and showed it to the NRA’s Wayne LaPierre. He held it as though it had some magical killing power. It’s a box with a spring in it. Yup. All the righteous indignation over a box with a spring in it.
Well, the story is the same now only replace box with tube. Bumpfiring is an effective way of turning money into noise. It’s ineffective at shooting accurately. These bumpfire gizmos are basically tubes that go over some part of the gun. And some have springs in them. They’re simple. The loon in Vegas had 12 bumpfire stocks.
So, obviously we must ban them. That law was written by someone who knows absolutely nothing about guns or gun laws. Are we going to ban rubber-bands too? How about shoestrings? A lot of folks can bumpfire without the assistance of a device. It’s not hard. Just takes some practice.
Sounds silly. But ATF has already banned springs, to an extent. Conversion device rules are generally silly.
Now, of all the proposed gun laws the democrats and press (but I repeat myself) are going on about out there, I think this one is most likely to pass due to the hysteria from those ignorant of how these things work. And if it does, the pro-gun side damn well better get something in return. Or the Republicans will lose a lot of voters.
Mentioned the AutoGlove a bit back. It’s a contraption the pulls the trigger really fast. Well, the ATF has come out and said it’s not legal. It’s the same non-logic that lead to certain actuators being dubbed no go in the past.
ATF has released its report on Firearms Commerce (pdf file). The data on page 15 I found interesting as it ranked guns and NFA items by state ownership.
And NFA items, in general, show a steady increase in sales.
ATF and three manufacturers have worked to modernize the NFA transfer process.
Looks like ATF will be issuing two determinations. One involving angled forward grips and the other on modular suppressors.
Silencer Shop is reporting getting Form 3s back from ATF in 24 hours. There is no reason any NFA transfer should take more than a day.
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