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The Trumpening: Let’s pro/con this whole Trump thing

Con: There’s too many to list. So, I’ll skip it. You’ve heard it all before.

Pro: 1. Supreme court nominees: The argument, illustrated here, is that Hillary’s nominations to the supreme court would be horrible, terrifying and nasty. She’d gut the first and second amendments. And I’m sure she would. The counter to this is that Trump has said he’d nominate conservative justices. Trump might just do that. And if he did, I would really like that. But, I wouldn’t rule out him nominating a bologna sandwich to the supreme court either. Just sayin’

2. He’s a thumb in the eye to the establishment: For the last ten years, the establishment has, basically, told its voters and base to get bent. The long drawn out conversation, when summarized in the TLDR version, went something like:

GOP Voter: You’re gonna have to stop this whole democrat agenda thing. And maybe stand up to the administration or something? For serious.

GOP: OK, but we need control of the house to do that.

GOP Voter: OK, here’s control of the house. Now about that whole You’re gonna have to stop this whole democrat agenda thing?
And maybe stand up to the administration or something?

GOP: Uhm, yeah. We’re gonna have to have the senate for that. Got it?

GOP Voter: OK, here’s control of the Senate. Now about that whole You’re gonna have to stop this whole democrat agenda thing? And maybe stand up to the administration or something?

GOP: Well, our hands are still tied so we’re gonna need you to vote for us president.

GOP Voter:


And that’s basically that. Trump caters to an attracts that demo. This should be a lesson to the GOP but it won’t be.

3. The press will start doing their job again: The media has carried the water for democrats since as long as I can remember. The recent DNC email leaks confirm there was collusion. Trump won’t get such a pass and, like when Bush was president, they’ll start doing their jobs.

So, for these reason, Trump actually is slightly more preferable than Clinton. Clinton is a known quantity. Trump isn’t. And his election would send a message and get the press on board with actual accountability in government. And, I could be wrong, Trump might not nominate a bologna sandwich for anything.

Don’t get all weepy. I’ll still not vote for him. Probably Johnson.

41 Responses to “The Trumpening: Let’s pro/con this whole Trump thing”

  1. Publius Says:

    I will (probably) vote for Trump, although not without reservations. If I don’t, then I will most likely vote for Jill Stein. Not because I agree with her, but because I think she’s the best “none of the above” candidate. I would consider Gary Johnson–I voted for him in ’12–but I think he’s getting worse/less libertarian as time goes on and I think Weld is even worse than Johnson.

  2. mikee Says:

    I, for one, look forward to the return of giant papier mache puppets in antiwar protests that block downtown traffic during evening rush hours nationwide, which ended quite suddenly in January 2009, for reasons no journalist has ever discovered, asked about, or commented upon.

  3. Blounttruth Says:

    With what you stated at this point it is Hillary or Trump, so a vote for Johnson at this point is a vote for Hillary. You are correct that Trump is a wild card, but you have to put things into perspective. In the debates Trump single handedly destroyed Political Correctness. He then spoke out again the TPP trade deal and how bad it is for America, garnering the attention of the globalists which started the attacks. He stood up to the Liberal media in grand fashion and made them look like the liars they are and justified even further their national trust average of 7%. He spanked a globalist/neoconservative Jeb Bush in front of the world and sent him home packing, he took child abusing globalist in sheeps clothing Teddy and exposed his true nature.
    Richard Armitage, deputy secretary of state and adviser to Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush
    Brent Scowcroft, chairman of the President’s Intelligence Advisory Board and adviser to three previous GOP presidents
    Alan Steinberg, regional EPA administrator
    Kori Schake, National Security Council and State Department aide
    Doug Elmets, former Reagan spokesman
    Jim Cicconi, former Reagan and George H.W. Bush aide
    Charles Fried, former U.S. solicitor general under Reagan
    Robert Kagan, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, former Reagan State Department aide and adviser to the presidential campaigns of John McCain and Mitt Romney
    Max Boot, senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and adviser to GOP presidential candidates
    Peter Mansoor, retired Army colonel and former aide to David Petraeus
    Larry Pressler, former three-term Republican senator from South Dakota
    Arne Carlson, a former two-term Republican governor of Minnesota
    Robert Smith, former judge on New York’s highest court, the Court of Appeals
    Mark Salter, former top adviser to John McCain
    Mike Treiser, former Mitt Romney aide
    Ben Howe, editor at

    Via all the crimes of Clinton, of all the anti Americanism she represents, and her sights set on the second amendment I would recommend holding your breath and voting for Trump, most have been voting for the lesser of two evils for decades, and to keep Hillary out of the White House this is one vote you should drop all principles to get behind the only person who can keep that witch far and away from any position of power.

  4. Chas Says:

    Yes, it’s far too early to celebrate victory, but it’s never too early to plan. I think that this would serve as well as anything for a victory song for Trump:

    BTW, Fuck You, Hillary.

  5. Blounttruth Says:

    For some reason my post was cut off. The list is of GOP insiders that are openly voting for Hillary, they are thick as thieves.

  6. Ron W Says:

    Blountttruth, that list confirms my thinking that the two major party establishments are together in a global fascist agenda.

  7. JTC Says:

    So, a “pro/con of the whole Trump thing” consists of baloney on the bench, gutting the gope, and prez Trump somehow making the prog press less proudly partisan?

    Huh. You’d think his first and foremost conviction on shutting down the illegal immigration deluge would rate a mention. Maybe a reference to ISIS being triple the influence of two years ago AFTER an Obama crackdown? And fibby weasel Comey acknowledging that local muzzies are being radicalized to be lone wolf jihadists in all 50 states and right there in Mayberry?

    Oh well, differing priorities. I’m sure Gary Johnson has a plan for the Holy War that approaches.

  8. Fred Says:

    @Blounttruth, If a vote for johnson is a vote for clinton then a vote for Darrell Castle is a vote for trump? Right? or…

  9. Tirno Says:

    Considering my state will go for Hillary even if she had been indicted, convicted and sentenced to 80 consecutive death sentences, I’m going to vote for Johnson because he is not Hillary or The Donald. I’m sure Johnson will get the same number of electoral college votes as I do.

    Then again, I’ll be checking the polling right up to voting day. If it is actually close enough to matter, I’ll vote Trump because he is not Hillary and he is the only other option that can get electoral college votes.

    Damn it.

  10. Ken in NH Says:

    I don’t have the luxury of living in a state that is probably a foregone conclusion. So for me a vote for Johnson truly is a vote for Hillary. I would also note that while I lean heavily libertarian and am Libertarian curious, Johnson telling us, “nice business you have there; be a shame if someone fined you out of existence because you didn’t want to bake a cake,” doesn’t shout libertarian to me.

  11. Veeshir Says:

    I wasn’t going to vote, but I’ve come around to actually deciding to vote for Trump and even, sigh, rooting for him.

    For the reasons you said except the media part.

    They won’t do their putative jobs, they’ll do the same job they’ve been doing; lying for the Dems and their front groups and against everybody else.

    Also, it doesn’t matter that the media will lie about Trump, we’ve been watching it and his popularity does not change based on the OUTRAGE!!!!! du jour.

  12. Thirdpower Says:

    “This should be a lesson to the GOP but it won’t be.”

    and what I’ve said since the beginning.

    There’s a reason they’ve become known as the stupid party.

  13. Stretch Says:

    The media’s “job” is not to report or oversee but to keep the Dems in power.
    If that fails (and pray God that it does) their job becomes one of lying and distorting each and every action taken by Trump.
    Expect no truth from them.

  14. Huck Says:

    “Expect no truth from them” (the media)

    Those culls rival Obama (D-Kenya) and the Hildebeest (D-Mordor) for outright and endless lying.

    IMHO, people who intend to vote for anyone but Trump or Clinton are actually voting for Clinton. They’re just voting 3rd party so that they can claim “I didn’t vote for the witch” when in reality YOU DID because your vote to anyone else except Trump helped put her there.

  15. Erik Says:

    Not voting for Trump is the same as voting for CNada.

  16. Erik Says:

    Canada. Stupid fat American fingers.

  17. Joseph Constable Says:

    No problem. Hillary doesn’t want to ban guns.

  18. Phelps Says:

    When Johnson was given a gun as a gift, he immediately threw it in the trash.

    Literally into a trash can. The first trash can he saw.

    And you’re voting for THAT over Trump?

  19. Lyle Says:

    Um; if I remember correctly we gave them both houses AND the presidency in 2000. That’s when they had to so something to retain their excuse, and so (Jumpin’) Jim Jeffords quit the Republican Party, destroying the Senate Republican majority.

    What’s it going to take to get you to understand that they DONT WANT to stop the Progressive (Democrat/Republican) agenda? Our first Progressive president was Teddy Roosevelt, Republican, after all.

    Seriously; do you actually believe the Republican Party supports the American Founding Principles? Where would you have gotten an idea like that, exactly? Please don’t tell me you believe their occasional campaign rhetoric, to the exclusion of everything they actually do, or refuse to do. For fucks sake.

  20. Lyle Says:

    Trump is in fact a rodeo clown. He’s funny, he pisses off the bull, he’s a great distraction, and he works for the rodeo crew. Don’t make the mistake of believing that the clown is going to fundamentally change the rules of rodeo. For fucks sake.

  21. MD Person Says:

    @Lyle: But at least the rodeo clown won’t turn the lions on the crowd – especially our part of the crowd. I’m OK with that.

    You can hate Trump for a lot of things he’s said, or you can hate Clinton for all the things she’s done and promised to do – to you.

    Your call.

  22. Bill Says:

    Folks, if you are adamant about not voting for Trump, then I recommend that you immediately sell all of your firearms for the best prices you can get. Because when they order you to turn them in, you will not get top dollar for them. If you hide them or stand in your door to stop them from taking them, they will just burn your house down as an example for the next guy. A final option is to begin training hard, organize your resistance cell, send your family to a safe location, and stockpile all the tools and supplies that you will need for the very long civil war that is about to break out “unexpectedly”.

  23. HL Says:

    If not voting for Trump equals voting for Hillary, the inverse must be true too. By voting third party, I guess I am voting for both of them…that’s three votes! I like that.

  24. parrym Says:

    re: Not voting for Trump is a vote for Hillary.

    Looking at the voting patterns over the last few elections, the demographic changes, increasing number of voters on the government payroll… I’ve come to the conclusion that the default vote for president is now Democrat. It’s not a toss up anymore.

    For the D to loose, they have to be strongly un-popular (which is the case this year), have a even-lefter leaning 3rd party peal off some votes (Sanders or Chairman Mao running as an independent) and/or the R needs to be strongly supported (which isn’t the case this year).

    So in swing states at least, I’m convinced a vote for non-Trump really is a vote for Hillary.

  25. Mike Says:

    A bad president can ruin everything for four years. A bad court can ruin everything for decades.

    We won’t limp away from four years of awful presidential leadership with a strong taste for a more powerful executive branch that controls larger and larger aspects of our lives. I can imagine no better response for the growing powers of the administrative state than to make people hate and fear it while it is still small enough to contain.

    A ruinous Trump presidency will force the republican party to reform. A Hillary loss to Trump will force the democratic party to reform.

    If Hillary wins, the forces of evil are triumphant, and remain so. If Trump wins it’s like taking a purgative that requires four years of discomfort before the illness passes.

  26. SPQR Says:

    There is zero reason to believe Trump will follow through on any promise. He is a conman and he’s been signalling the con clearly.

  27. Phelps Says:

    There is zero reason to believe Trump will follow through on any promise. He is a conman and he’s been signalling the con clearly.

    Random Trump beats Certain Hillary.

  28. Phelps Says:

    Actually, that was too flip. This needs to be hammered home.

    This is the same argument that gun grabbers use against defending yourself.

    Oh, you might get your gun taken away from you. Oh, you might accidentally shoot yourself. Oh, your kid might find it and go shoot up his playground.

    Fine. But I know what is going to happen if I don’t even try to defend myself.

    Trump is defending yourself with a gun. Sure, it might go sideways anyway — but you know how it is going to end up if you don’t even try.

  29. Linoge Says:

    “When Johnson was given a gun as a gift, he immediately threw it in the trash.”

    According to some reports. According to others, that’s not quite how it went down.

    In either case, it was gifted to him, as an olive branch, by someone who spent the weeks up to the event bad-mouthing Johnson, and then turned around after the gifting, before the firearm had even hit the trash can – or not- and continued bad-mouthing him.

    Throw in the fact that Johnson doesn’t own firearms, per his own admission, and it’s firmly in the “who gives a shit?” camp.

    OTOH, he has come out firmly in support of concealed carry, firmly in support of no more bans and even rolling back ones we have, and firmly in support of the notion that private ownership of arms keeps criminals at bay. While Trumpster Fire has endorsed AWBs, endorsed waiting periods, and loves to flaunt his basically-impossible-to-get-unless-you’re-rich-or-politically-connected NYC carry permit. Yeah, that’s encouraging.

  30. Linoge Says:

    Oh, right, and most-recently, Trump jumped on the NRA idiocy and firmly endorsed arbitrarily denying rights to people who were placed on secret lists without any due process.

    But, sure, let’s fixate on what someone does with their own property.

  31. Phelps Says:

    So you are OK with throwing guns away?

    Just want to make sure we know what kind of guy you are.

  32. Linoge Says:

    Am I OK with someone doing with their personal property as they see fit?

    Uh, yes.

    Oddly, I’m not an authoritarian statist who presumes to tell others what they can or can’t do.

    So you’re OK with arbitrarily denying Constitutionally-protected rights without due process?

    Just want to make sure we know what kind of guy you are.

  33. Phelps Says:

    I’m not saying that we throw him in jail for throwing it away. He’s legally allowed to be a disgusting shitheel.

    But I am willing to say that people who knowingly vote for gun-tossing shitheels are disgusting shitheels too.

  34. Linoge Says:

    Somehow I’ll just have to resign myself to never earning the approval of an internet blowhard.

    How will I ever go on?

    It’s getting dark.

    Send help.

  35. Phelps Says:

    Don’t worry, Daddy is coming to rescue in January.

  36. JTC Says:

    Tossing a firearm? Pretty symbolic and indicative.

    Oh, and not sure about the NRA/Trump position on specific secret lists but I do know the bitch’s position on her secret list; denial of specific rights without process is its whole raison d’eter, and we’re all on it.

  37. JTC Says:

    raison d’etre…that’s what I get for tossing French around, I f’ing hate French. And the French. And France. 🙂

  38. NotClauswitz Says:

    Behind enemy lines here, I have no problem voting for Trump.

  39. Blounttruth Says:

    @ Ron W. – You sir are 100% correct. The names should be saved and an attempt to keep them out of politics in the future.

    @ Fred – I would dare say that a vote for anyone but Trump is a vote for a Hillary White House. Just like Uncle stated, Johnson is showing his true colors.

    @ HL – Good point, third party votes are a vote for a possible Hillary White House, and then you can look forward to an Obama SCOTUS life long appointment. You can proudly proclaim at that point you remember how America used to be, as her appointment of Obama and other left wing activists will reshape this nation in a manner not seen prior to the war of independence.

  40. Heck Says:

    If you don’t vote for Trump you vote for Hillary. There is no protest vote. So when you’re packing your guns in grease to bury them, you can remember your foolish pride.

  41. qmony Says:

    #NeverTrump is pro-Hillary, and Hillary will abolish the 2nd Amendment through activist Supreme appointments. So pull your head out and get with the program or you might as well sell your guns now rather than have them confiscated later.