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So, a woman was killed when she hugged a police officer and set off his gun. Based on what I’ve read, I’m puzzled at the mechanics. She hugged him from behind, so that has to mean shoulder holster most likely. But if the holster covered the trigger, how did it get pulled? Something is missing, this does not pass the smell test.

Be sure of your target and what’s behind it:

She was in the basement when she heard a loud “bang,” and then her 13-year-old son started screaming. A bullet had struck the family room window and continued on, piercing a wall in a bedroom closet where her 17-year-old son was sleeping.

20 Responses to “Gun safety”

  1. Bram Says:

    This story says the M&P was at his waist.
    http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120709/METRO01/207090365/

    Yet she was shot in the chest. Definitely a fishy story.

  2. Bubblehead Les Says:

    RE: Be Sure. Uh, so some Mall Ninja sets up a Shooting School in an Unzoned Area and has Problems when the NRA Dude complains about having to yell “Incoming!”

    Well, this will help the Gun Rights Movement in the VolksRepublik of Illinois!

  3. Tam Says:

    What Bram said. PD spokesperson specifically called out the holster as IWB. Something’s definitely not adding up.

  4. Shootin' Buddy Says:

    Stairs? He was a few steps up and she ran up behind him and threw her arms about his waist? The sausage sack holster allowed her to access the trigger, pistol, canted slightly back, discharges into her chest.

    CSI: Blogosphere

  5. Jake Says:

    The latest story I’ve seen says the holster was “a soft, neoprene-type material”, so I bet it was an Uncle Mike’s IWB. It still doesn’t add up – not only the angle, but how the trigger got pulled. I’ve owned one of those, and while it certainly is possible to pull the trigger through the material, it would take a significant amount of pressure to force the material into the trigger guard and actually move the trigger far enough for it to fire.

    The story as presented by the police just does not make sense.

  6. emdfl Says:

    What? Police lie about a shooting involving one of their own? Color me surprised…..NOT!!!!!!!

  7. Patrick Says:

    Soft IWB holster that exposed the trigger. That’s the latest finding.

    Probably he was using a holster too small. Maybe he got it on sale, maybe he just wanted to go out with something more comfortable that day, maybe he bought a newer bigger gun and didn’t upsize his holster, maybe he didn’t seat it correctly, maybe he just didn’t know any better…

    It doesn’t matter. It was the wrong setup for the gun, because it let the trigger be exposed.

    Lesson there. Again.

  8. Patrick Says:

    Sorry for not posting the link to the story, aptly titled: “Police: Officer’s gun that killed Adaisha Miller had trigger that could be reached through holster

  9. Leatherwing Says:

    Maybe someone was trying to take it out from behind, and he has an ND while re-holstering (a fast re-holster?). I know it contradicts what the PD are saying, but what they are saying contradicts physics. And it still doesn’t explain how a pistol at his waist shot her in the chest.

  10. Sendarius Says:

    I can think of a way that a pistol at his waist shot her in the chest – but it isn’t appropriate to relate it to a mixed-age audience.

  11. FerosFerios Says:

    Sendarius is on the right track…http://www.freep.com/article/20120710/NEWS01/120710037/Police-officer-gun-holstered-Adaisha-Miller?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

    she was dancing an “exotic” dance on her knees “behind” the officer when the gun “went off”

  12. Kristopher Says:

    OK then, crap holster kills bystander.

    As for the PO Box ninja trainer … stop being on my side, dumbass.

  13. Jon Says:

    I’ll bet it turns out she was squatted down behind him and when she was standing up she ran her hands up his hips or butt. Easy to see how she could have partially unholstered the gun enough to both point it back at her chest and expose the trigger.

    Pretty common playful dance move, doesn’t require any exotic explanation.

    The ‘hug’ description is probably just crappy reporting.

  14. Suki Says:

    She grabbed the wrong bang switch.

  15. Cormac Says:

    I was just reading the comments…
    Holy Crap…
    MeanGene is a tool.

  16. NotClauswitz Says:

    The problem would be easier to trace if it was one of those drunk Indiana cops, blame it on the cop-car.

  17. PawPaw Says:

    “piercing a wall in a bedroom closet where her 17-year-old son was sleeping.”

    Why was her 17-year-old son sleeping in a closet?

  18. Paul Says:

    I bet the gun was dislodged from the holster by the ‘hug’ and as it dropped one or the other (or both of them) tried to grab it and it went off.

  19. CarlS Says:

    Tragedy aside, there’s a part of this that is being, uh, overlooked.

    “off-duty officers are prohibited by state law from carrying a firearm if their blood alcohol level is 0.02% or above.”

    The story said no test was performed, so how do they know what the officer’s blood to alcohol (or other intoxicant of choice) was? Is there any reason to assume it must have been alcohol?

    And, would those same standards be applied to non law enforcement?

  20. Matt in AZ Says:

    I like these “stories” much better when the dumbass shoots themselves. This is why I firmly believe that all people that carry guns should use the appendix carry. Moreover one should be using an outstanding SERPA holster whilst doing so. That way you are a 1000 times more likely to shoot yourself than anyone else. Cue the slightly oxidized trombone in three, two, one.