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If I showed up at a Tea Party protest with a sign that said something to the effect of Funny how Republicans support limited government when they’re not in power, how do you think that would go over?

49 Responses to “A thought”

  1. Stan Says:

    Do it, sometimes the truth hurts. Maybe if they get smacked in the face enough times they’ll put their heads and thumbs out of their collective asses. Backup might be a good idea though.

  2. Robb Allen Says:

    Quite well if you ask me. I have no problem shaming people into realizing that this is a problem regardless of who is in control. Make ’em think twice about granting the state any more power again.

    Hell, most of what I’ve read from Tea Party-Goers has been that this was a problem with Bush, but that it’s only now that Obama is in power that the Right seems to have figured that out.

    If the end result is a deeper respect for limited government, I don’t care how you got there. If this is simply anti-Obama / anti-Democrats, then yeah, those people are losers.

    Hell, now that I think about it, I should have made a sign that blames Republicans for the mess to at least get a conversation started.

  3. sadcox Says:

    Was thinking of showing up to the Knoxville event today with something very similar.

  4. Manish Says:

    I’ve been meaning to ask..so what is the deal with the tea parties? Perhaps I’m being dense, but I’m not quite getting them. Perhaps its just, spending is bad when the other guy is doing it, but seriously, can someone clue me in.

  5. SayUncle Says:

    I think that now that a Republican isn’t in charge, some folks are protesting bloat. A noble cause, sure, but a bit late.

  6. Dan Says:

    Most conservatives have been against bush’s big spending, but like usual, the media either ignores it or calls them whackjobs (like they are doing with the tea parties now.) It should be noted that most of these people are actual productive members of society, not volunteer-paid workers for acorn or stoned up college kids.

    I think most of them do know that Bush was not a fiscally conservative guy, and constantly reminding people of that fact is going to accomplish … what?
    Do it too many times, and you end up sounding like Obama where in order to ‘correct’ Bush’s errors, we have to spend x3 the amount to correct it.

  7. Ron W Says:

    IF I didn’t have to work today…my sign would be REPEAL the 16th Amendment, REPEAL the 17th Amendment, REPEAL the Federal Reserve Act. Enforce the Constitution…for a CHANGE!

    Being able to borrow and unending supply of printed fiat money is THE reason for the debt and taxes.
    END the FED!

  8. 4b Says:

    Based on the folks I’ve talked to, you’d get a righteous round of applause. The Tea Party’s not a republican thing – it’s allegedly a conservative thing. Big difference these days. Organizers in Charlotte requested that any elected official be booed regardless of party affiliation. Dan’s got a point above – I fit the bill of a normal productive member of society and I’m going uptown on my lunchbreak with a Simon Jester t-shirt on to see if there are as many crazies there as the media would have you and me believe.

  9. Robb Allen Says:

    Manish, Uncle is only partially right. Boiling a frog slowly is an old wives’ tale. Eventually the water gets too hot and the frog jumps out.

    I don’t know of anyone who is advocating the abolishment of all taxation. And it’s not that our taxes have gone up that much. It’s that the water has now gotten too hot – people have seen with their own eyes how wasteful the government has become. A trillion dollar bailout? Come on.

    The collectivists don’t understand the problem. To them, the money doesn’t belong to those who work for it so there’s nothing wrong with taking as much as they want. It’s more ‘fair’ that way, or some fairy-tale crap like that.

    I think most of them do know that Bush was not a fiscally conservative guy, and constantly reminding people of that fact is going to accomplish … what?

    Hopefully get it through their thick skulls to not vote for people like Bush / McCain again, that they need to be a bit better in picking their candidates in the primaries.

  10. Dan Says:

    Well Rob, I hope you are right. Somehow, even with the current disaster of the Obama presidency, I bet people are not going to get the message.

  11. Manish Says:

    It should be noted that most of these people are actual productive members of society, not volunteer-paid workers for acorn or stoned up college kids.

    mwha ha ha ha ha..The organizers of the anti-war marches also didn’t have Fox News promoting them 24/7. I went to a few and sorry to tell you but I’m a productive member of society and don’t get paid by Acorn..as were most people there. Nice try though.

    Most conservatives have been against bush’s big spending

    Then where were the tea parties then?

  12. Robb Allen Says:

    Oh, Manish, so you DO understand what the parties are about, you were just playing ‘dumb’ so you could try to make some sort of left-wing point.

    Haven’t watched Fox News in years. I’m surprised I even know about these things. Have they finally stopped reporting on Anna Nichole’s death?

    Then where were the tea parties then?

    You missed those? Huh, you don’t get out much do you? They weren’t called ‘tea parties’ back then, it was called “An Election” in which many conservatives who tired of the ever expanding RINOS simply didn’t vote or voted for someone else. And the results were clear as a bell.

  13. 4b Says:

    What? There were war protests during the Bush years?

    I never heard a thing about that on the news.

  14. Jim W Says:

    Conservatives have been pissed at the republicans for a while now. We were pissed at Bush’s spending and we’re pissed at Obama’s _even worse_ spending.

    And the previous tea parties took place last November. The problem is that the new government got the wrong message from them and thought it was a signal to behave even worse.

  15. countertop Says:

    I’m looking for a bumper sticker that says “Screw ‘Em Both” with a doinkey in a circle with a line through it on the right and an elephant in a circle with a line through it on the left.

  16. DADvocate Says:

    We’d say you’re talking to the wrong crowd. We’re pissed at both parties.

    The Cincinnati Tea Party has made a strong point of being non-partisan. Of course, they can’t control the signs but I’ve seen several along the lines of “screw them both.” Today one protester had a sign listing the Ohio Senators and Congresspeople who voted for the bailout, Republicans and Democrats.

    Some Republicans want to hijack this movement but it’s not a Republican movement. Not here any way.

  17. Manish Says:

    Robb..I know the publicized reason for the events, what I’m trying to figure out is whats behind the movement suddenly. I remember some grumbling about spending under the Bush Administration, but no real organized effort to oppose it from conservatives..which is why I latched onto Uncle’s post. Is it just about spending is bad enough to protest it when the other guy does it.

    And the previous tea parties took place last November. The problem is that the new government got the wrong message from them and thought it was a signal to behave even worse.

    So is this to say that the tea parties are filled with Obama voters? I’m sure that some of tea partiers did vote Obama but I’m guessing the mass majority didn’t.

    What? There were war protests during the Bush years?

    I don’t remember this level of promotion PRIOR to the event..I remember most of the reporting was after the fact reporting on what had happened.

  18. steve voss Says:

    Hey, George W. Bush was the best Democratic POTUS ever!!

    steve

  19. Dan Says:

    “mwha ha ha ha ha..The organizers of the anti-war marches also didn’t have Fox News promoting them 24/7. I went to a few and sorry to tell you but I’m a productive member of society and don’t get paid by Acorn..as were most people there. Nice try though.”

    – When tea party people start wearing anti-American shirts and waving signs talking about how great Che was, how the Jews (errr, zionists) are the cause of the world’s problems, and how US troops are baby killers, get back to me on that. Until then, the fact remains that most people at ‘anti-war’ under Bush protests tend to be scumbags.

    Although, that clip of Olby is funny because isn’t MSNBC part of an evil large corporation, who by the way is trying to discredit a real news organization because they actually report real news from time to time instead of accusing non-Obama fans of being unpatriotic?

  20. 4b Says:

    Manish, the best example I can remember of the media falling all over themselves for anti-war protests prior, during and after the fact would be Cindy Sheehan’s first go-around down in Crawford.

    So FN is lined up behind the Tea Party protests and has plenty of Foxnewsian Graphics Support as well. based on your other comments this cannot be surprising to you.

    I think that a lot of excruciatingly normal people are just fed up with how far things have gone. It’s a cumulative thing. It is for me.

  21. Lyle Says:

    It would go over great with the participants, and poorly with the Republicans. It would also be an excellent point, one that the Republicans would utterly fail to grasp.

  22. Kevin Baker Says:

    I know the publicized reason for the events, what I’m trying to figure out is whats behind the movement suddenly.

    That’s easy: Bush’s “Bailout” of $700 billion in TARP funds, followed by Obama’s “Bailout Expansion” of something on the order of an addition a trillion, with more to come. The demands that come along with this money, whether it goes to banks, auto manufacturers or state treasuries, looks like the Federal government essentially seizing control of anything and everything.

    All this happened FAST.

    And our normally somnolent population finally woke the hell up.

  23. Manish Says:

    Dan,

    You mean shit like this or this or this. How about this?

    Until then, the fact remains that most people at ‘anti-war’ under Bush protests tend to be scumbags.

    Coming from you, I’ll take that as a badge of honor. Speaking of which, it would seem to me that the last protest against wasteful big government spending was, in fact, the anti-war protests. But that was different of course.

    I think that a lot of excruciatingly normal people are just fed up with how far things have gone. It’s a cumulative thing. It is for me.

    count me in..I’m tired of wasteful spending myself. I didn’t agree with the auto bailout or the bank bailout. But I also think that you can’t have small government with a big military, unnecessary war in Iraq, drug wars, prison nation, etc. However, I doubt that many of the people at the tea bag parties today showed up to the anti-war marches too.

  24. Robert Says:

    At the protest I was just at most people would have said “amen”.

  25. Manish Says:

    and this one is charming too.

  26. Manish Says:

    oopps striped, go here. A preview Obama = fascist.

  27. Yosemite Sam Says:

    Manish,

    Quit being a dolt. I don’t support this government. Full stop. No more than you supported the Bush government. I despise everything Obama stands for and every policy he promotes. And if taking over a company and running it from the Oval Office isn’t fascism, I don’t know what is. So kindly piss off. Your side had your 8 years of protest now you have to listen to our side protest.

  28. Dan Says:

    Those are pretty weak retorts, Mannish, even for you. I do not see anything anti-American, like you do at most liberal protests.

    And of course you will always have lone nuts, but those links do not even show one. Where are the ‘free mumia,’ ‘US Troops are murderers”, and etc.?

    I do not care about the ‘Obama is a fascist/socialist,” etc. ones because, as you remember, you can disagree with who is in the white house and still love America.

    I bet you thought I would not click on those links, right?

  29. Stan Says:

    Ditto on what Robert #24 said. The party I was at was generally anti-Democrat & anti-Republican. All Pro-liberty. A couple Republican pol speakers said some nice things, but didn’t stop the cringing –they weren’t welcome.

  30. countertop Says:

    The issue I have with these protests – at least from my view in DC – is that while they started out as grassroots affairs, the angry majority has allowed their anger to be co-opted by political hacks. Michele Malkin, grover Nordquist, Rush, Newt, fox, etc. There is a real anger out there – and I think kevin Baker summed it up best. But that anger won’t amount to a hill of squat if it simply returns Republicans to power. We need to punish the LEADERSHIP of both parties. But especially the republicans. Democrats are supposed to act like they are Republicans should have revolted and impeached bush after Tarp. Heck, if they want to really earn trust, a REPUBLICAN should start the proceedings to indict Bush and Paulson and Bahner and McConnell for betraying the public trust.

    As for the protest, the one in DC featured grover Nordquist and Allen Keyes. Keyes is a whacko. Nordquist is a hack and a party shill (I say that as someone who knows him fairly well). Heck, I had a conference a couple of years ago and invited grover to come speak about how to make the government smaller and reducer regulatory burdens and he spent an hour talking about how he and Ambromoff and Ralph Reed and Rove had worked to guarantee a permanant 40 year christian right focused republican majority. That sure worked out well.)

    Anyway, the protesters would do well to distance themselves from the Michele Malkin grover nordquist types.

  31. Manish Says:

    And if taking over a company and running it from the Oval Office isn’t fascism, I don’t know what is

    yes, that is fascism..the worst thing Hitler did was taking over companies and running them..uh huh.

    I do not see anything anti-American, like you do at most liberal protests.

    I guess the definition of anti-American has changed. Used to be that calling the President a fascist was anti-American, now apparently its patriotism. Whatever, I don’t care either way, just be consistent.

    Where are the ‘free mumia,’ ‘US Troops are murderers”, and etc.?

    No free mumia, but here’s a repeal the 14th Amendment, here’s Obama=Hitler, here’s stop murdering babies, more Hitler. This one is pretty classy too.

  32. Manish Says:

    Oh and here’s one that could have been re-used from an anti-war march, a little more classy, more commie shit.

  33. gmcraff Says:

    Manish said: yes, that is fascism..the worst thing Hitler did was taking over companies and running them..uh huh.

    You haven’t got a the first clue what fascism is with regard to economic policy, do you?

  34. Manish Says:

    gmcraff..why don’t you read the main fascism entry..is this what Obama is doing? Give me a break.

  35. Linoge Says:

    If you were able to make it, Unc, and you brought that sign, you would not have been alone.

    Granted, there was nothing (that I saw) that was directly equivalent to what you wrote, but there was a fair amount of “Screw them all” sentiments in the crowd.

    And, Manish, after all the stupid-assed shit America has had to put up with from the other end of the political spectrum for the past 8 years, your righteous indignation is ironic at best, and idiotic at worst.

  36. Yosemite Sam Says:

    As I said Manish, enjoy the other side of the coin. Directing corporate policy and attempting to run the economy on a Statist model sure has the whiff of fascism to me. And I have to chuckle about somebody on the Left complaining about attacks on their President. I guess your head has been in the sand for the last 8 years.

    As far as attacks on the President being unpatriotic. GMAFB. Attacks on the President are as American as apple pie. Go read up on the election of 1800 and oh just about every presidency in American history.

  37. countertop Says:

    Spoke to my mom who attended the protest in Morristown, New Jersey. She was very disappointed that it was basically a rally for local republican politicians. She wanted more than to hear speaches from candidates. One highlight though is a guy running for governor was on stage and someone asked him a question and he gave a non answer and the crowd started chantting over him “answer the question” and basically drowned out his speach.

  38. Lyle Says:

    Manish; since we’re now assigning each other reading material. I’ll take your Wikki link and up you a thousand dollars. I assign to you, “Liberal Fascism” by Jonah Goldberg. Read it and then come back here and say that.

    I’ve had enough of this. At least know what the hell you’re talking about if you want to act all indignant and stuff. As it is, you’re just funny, which goes right along with the tea parties– A lot of people are fed up with the cluelessness. Republican cluelessness and Democrat cluelessness.

  39. Guav Says:

    Yeah, I’m sure many of you were opposed intellectually to Bush’s fiscal recklessness, but I doubt a single one of you ever bothered to actively protest—and in fact, most of you probably voted for him once or even twice.

    These Tea Parties, while I’m sure contain some conservatives who are ideologically consistent, I would be willing to wager that most participants are just Republicans who are pissed that Obama won and this is their way of expressing their frustration at that fact.

    And this We Were Always Pissed But Now We’ve Just FINALLY Had Enough Which Is Why We Are Protesting Now And Not Then stuff is also questionable—I severely doubt that if a Republican had won the election and done the same thing Obama is, that we’d be seeing these Tea Parties. Most of them would be right behind the administration, just like they were for everything else.

    Maybe if most of the people who are pissed off now had discovered their spines and raised their voices in protest years ago, it wouldn’t have gotten to this point: Obama wouldn’t be continuing the bailouts Bush started because there wouldn’t be a crisis or it wouldn’t be as bad—or maybe Obama wouldn’t even have been elected at all.

    For the most part, you Republicans and Conservatives alike gave Bush a total pass and enabled everything that got us here. You didn’t speak up when it mattered, and Obama is the result.

    Just in my opinion, of course.

  40. Manish Says:

    And, Manish, after all the stupid-assed shit America has had to put up with from the other end of the political spectrum for the past 8 years, your righteous indignation is ironic at best, and idiotic at worst.

    Dude..you mistake indignation for watching the right backpedal. Everything that was said about the anti-war protesters now comes home to roost. We were unpatriotic then, well look who’s unpatriotic now. I remember Glenn Reynolds and the like demanding that every left wing blogger repudiate every Bush = Hitler photo…well, I await the good professor having to do the same with the Obama = Hitler signage.

    As I said Manish, enjoy the other side of the coin. Directing corporate policy and attempting to run the economy on a Statist model sure has the whiff of fascism to me.

    whatever you say dude. Its Bush that bought us 80% of AIG and a whole chunk of a whole bunch of banks but whatever.

    I assign to you, “Liberal Fascism” by Jonah Goldberg. Read it and then come back here and say that.

    Whatever dude. Jonah Goldberg?!? Thats your idea of a credible author..If you read the Chomski collection along with everything Michael Moore has written (and I can’t say I’ve ever read anything Chomski has written), I’ll consider reading Goldberg’s bullshit, but don’t count on it.

  41. Manish Says:

    Oh and I’d like everyone to repudiate this photo as Insta-idiot told all of us to do during the anti-war marches or this. This is a fun photo

  42. Ragin' Dave Says:

    Liberal Tool Guav sez:

    Yeah, I’m sure many of you were opposed intellectually to Bush’s fiscal recklessness, but I doubt a single one of you ever bothered to actively protest—and in fact, most of you probably voted for him once or even twice.

    And I say yer damn skippy, because the other option in 2000 was a deranged lunatic hypocrite who uses more electricity than ten average American families and flies around on a private Gulfstream jet while telling everyone else that they need to conserve oil and energy. The other option in 2004 was a faux war hero who stabbed the military in the back with his lies and slander, and who had 294 members of his former unit signing a statement that he was unfit to be commander in chief. Of that same unit, only 14 supported Kerry. Both of those options were tax-and-spend liberals hellbent on giving more power to the government and expanding it on the scope that Obama has done.

    So yes, you’re damn right I voted for Bush twice, and I voted for McCain this time around. Because I will never, ever, vote for the greater evil. You can take that argument and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine.

  43. Yosemite Sam Says:

    “whatever you say dude. Its Bush that bought us 80% of AIG and a whole chunk of a whole bunch of banks but whatever.”

    What’s your point. I hated it when Bush did it and I hate it when Obama is doing it multiplied by 1000. I’m no big fan of Bush. As Ragin’ Dave said, votes were more against the other guy than for him. Are you admitting that the spending was bad when Bush was doing it, but it is OK now your guy is in. Mote, beam etc. There’s plenty of hypocrisy to go around.

    re.) your photos.

    If it makes you happy, sure it’s OTT and silly. No, I don’t think Obama is Hitler, but I do think his policies are quasi-fascist. Bush’s were to for that matter. Department of Homeland Security? Seriously, where did this Homeland(Heimat in the original German) come from?

    Hell, I had no problem with the war protests. In my opinion, there are plenty of reasons to not support or be against the Iraq war.

    But, I could just as well point out about the relative dearth of war protests now that the Left has their guy in the White House. It’s human nature. Yin and Yang. People aren’t going to protest when their guy is in charge, even if he is doing things contrary to their interests.

    Anyway, spare us the lectures. There is plenty of hypocrisy to go around.

  44. Manish Says:

    What’s your point. I hated it when Bush did it and I hate it when Obama is doing it multiplied by 1000.

    Well, if you hate it multiplied by 1000 when Obama does it, then that does imply that it was atleast more o.k. when Bush did it.

    Are you admitting that the spending was bad when Bush was doing it, but it is OK now your guy is in

    I have no problem with spending if its spent properly. Having said that, I’m not a fan of the bank or auto bailouts. The stimulus bill had a lot of good, but also a lot of bad. I’m also not a fan of the trillion dollar boondoggle otherwise known as the war in Iraq, but somehow most fiscal conservatives let that one go as a pass.

    Hell, I had no problem with the war protests. In my opinion, there are plenty of reasons to not support or be against the Iraq war.

    it would be interesting for someone to go back a few years and see what certain bloggers and commenters were saying back in the day. I take you at your word and I recall Uncle being supportive of the ability to protest, but there were many who were not.

    But, I could just as well point out about the relative dearth of war protests now that the Left has their guy in the White House

    uh, there was one in March on the 6th anniversary of the war starting, as there has been yearly on the anniversary. Wonder why you haven’t heard about any of them..damn liberal media.

  45. Yosemite Sam Says:

    “Well, if you hate it multiplied by 1000 when Obama does it, then that does imply that it was atleast more o.k. when Bush did it.”

    Just to be clear, I wrote that Obama was spending money 1000 times that of Bush levels not that I hated it a 1000 times more than when Bush was doing it. I hated it when Bush did the bailouts in 08 and I hated it when Obama exponentially increased those amounts.

    In particular the deficit spending. And before you go there, yes it was bad when Reagan did it in the 80’s as well. Governement should not spend more than it takes in as revenue.

    “uh, there was one in March on the 6th anniversary of the war starting, as there has been yearly on the anniversary.” That’s why I said relative dearth. There are certainly less than when Bush was in office even though there are troops still over there.

  46. Manish Says:

    Just to be clear, I wrote that Obama was spending money 1000 times that of Bush levels

    umm..no you’re wrong. Obama is spending at about the same level as Bush perhaps double depending on how you look at it. It certainly isn’t anywhere near 1000 times.

    That’s why I said relative dearth. There are certainly less than when Bush was in office even though there are troops still over there.

    Obama has not been in office 100 days yet and there already has been 1 protest of the war. I remember a bunch of protests before the war and then 1 about every 6 months. This would suggest that the anti-war protests are occuring at the same rate.

  47. Guav Says:

    Ragin’ Dave, I understand that many conservatives have a penchant for tea-bagging and other deviant sexual acts, but I’ll have to decline your invitation—I don’t think I’d enjoy shoving anything up my ass.

    But I support your right to insert anything you want into your own ass.

  48. Yosemite Sam Says:

    1000 times was hyperbole, I’ll admit, but it sure as hell is more than twice. The stimulus and new budget dwarf Bush’s spending. And the projected spending is even worse. Add a health care initative onto that and continued Iraq and Afghanistan spending and the Bush days look fiscally prudent.

  49. Manish Says:

    The stimulus was about the same as the bank bailout. The budget actually accounts for costs in Iraq and Afghanistan unlike the Bush budgets which added them as supplementals, but they still did cost us money. By the time a health care initiative is up and running, we should be largely out of Iraq and thus spending loads less.