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You keep using that word sarcastically

I do not think it means what you think it means:

The mainstream National Rifle Association has endorsed the mainstream, all-American candidate, John McCain, for the Presidency of the United States

The NRA and McCain are more mainstream on guns than Barack Obama. Otherwise, the DLC would not have had to create a fake pro-gun group to make him seem closer to mainstream.

Posted in uncategorized on October 10th, 2008 by SayUncle | RSS 2.0 |

7 Responses to “You keep using that word sarcastically”

  1. Sean Braisted Says:
    October 10th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    Well, most Americans do support some restrictions, and right or wrong, you pointed out on your own blog that a large majority of Americans supported things like the Assault Weapons Ban.

    The NRA is certainly the largest gun industry advocacy group, but not all of their members agree with their opposition to gun show reforms and other measures to control the flow of firearms.

  2. SayUncle Says:
    October 10th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    nra supports some restrictions. Obama supports them all. I also have said most americans don’t know that the AWB doesn’t cover machine guns.

    The NRA is certainly the largest gun industry advocacy group

    You keep using that canard. The gun industry has it’s own advocacy group. The NSSF.

  3. John Hardin Says:
    October 10th, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    Unc, did you actually say this in comments over there:

    A misconception is that keep and bear means to have and carry. It does not. ‘Keep and bear’ is separate from ‘wearing’. ‘keep and bear’ has been generally interpreted to mean to have and be able to train with or use.

    I am amazed. Would you care to cite a “general interpretation” by some recognized authority on the 2nd Amendment and the founders’ intent (like David Hardy or David Young) that “bear” does not mean “carry”?

    Looking the word up in a href=”http://books.google.com/books?id=lqsRAAAAIAAJ&ots=4bAbIOZjJJ&dq=18th%20century%20english%20dictionary&pg=PA60″ rel=”external”>Samuel Johnson’s Dictionary of 1824 at pg. 60 says:

    To BEAR i a pret Ae rc or bate part pass bore or born beonan Sax To carry as a burden Isaiah To convey or carry …

  4. John Hardin Says:
    October 10th, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    You need a preview button on your comment editor…

    Looking the word up in Samuel Johnson’s Dictionary of 1824 at pg. 60 says:

  5. SayUncle Says:
    October 10th, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    I am amazed. Would you care to cite a “general interpretation” by some recognized authority on the 2nd Amendment and the founders’ intent

    IIRC, it’s from A CRITICAL GUIDE TO THE
    SECOND AMENDMENT     by Glenn Reynolds. Will have to re-read later to verify. Busy now.

  6. John Hardin Says:
    October 10th, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    thx, reading…

  7. John Hardin Says:
    October 12th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    Also how does “have and be able to … use” not clearly imply “carry”?

    From indirect cite:

    Smith’s extensive statutory review confirms that “bear” did generally refer to the carrying of arms by militiamen.[59] Since statutes referring to the transportation of arms by individuals outside the militia context (e.g., statutes forbidding blacks and Indians to transport them) invariably used the word “carry” instead of “bear,” he concludes that the amendment’s use of “bear” is designed to protect the carrying of arms outside the home only in the course of militia service.[60] In contrast, Smith finds that “keep” was commonly used in colonial and early state statutes to describe arms possession by individuals in all contexts, not just in relation to militia service.
    http://www.guncite.com/journals/kmich.html#h2.1.3-1

    So there does seem to be some scholarly opinion that “bear” refers only to militia-related activities as you state. Rats.

    However, “possession by individuals in all contexts” could be argued to include carrying in self defense as a valid context.

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