I see an ATF determination letter coming
A video of a guy bumpfiring a GLOCK
I’m thinking, and gun folks help me out here, but wouldn’t adding the board, which is imitating a stock, make the weapon a short barreled rifle?
Meanwhile, here’s another video showing bumpfiring a GLOCK with a stick.
November 30th, 2007 at 11:06 am
Well, it’s not attached to the gun in any way.
It’s not illegal to hold a gun and a board at the same time.
November 30th, 2007 at 11:08 am
I don’t really know, but the glock is not attached to the board, so I wouldn’t think it would make it a rifle.
November 30th, 2007 at 11:30 am
You know…as I watch all these youtube videos of people bump firing semi-autos…it occurs to me that this is ammo (bad pun intended) for the gun control crowd.
These are exactly the kinds of things that “scare the white folk” that they can show to justify the banning of ALL semi-auto firearms.
“See, it can be turned into a machine gun with no modification at all…AHHHH THE SKY IS FALLING!”
It won’t matter that it is impractical, inaccurate and nothing more than a more efficient way to turn money into noise. All they need is to show the videos and convince Suzy Soccer Mom that this is a favored technique of criminals and gang bangers to “spray fire” their “bullet hoses”.
I don’t know what to do about it, but perhaps implicitly praising (linking to) videos that may easily be used against us in the future might not be the most prudent course of action.
Am I wrong?
November 30th, 2007 at 11:45 am
To veer off on a tangent, a bit; I think of that new Benelli autoloading shotgun, which as far as I can tell, uses the shooter’s shoulder as part of the operating system. (weird springs in the bolt etc.)
Would that thing even cycle if its butt were held against a rigid object? Sort of the opposite of “limpwristing”.
November 30th, 2007 at 11:46 am
I thought the same thing about shoestrings.
November 30th, 2007 at 1:10 pm
The very fist thing I thought when I saw this was “Look how @^#’ing inaccurate that is!“.
But Sailorcurt is right that the anti’s would use that to their advantage. Then again, you could show a picture of a little girl holding a pink rifle and a kitty cat and the anti’s would make it about how gun owners hate man’s best friend.
November 30th, 2007 at 1:41 pm
Oh, I’m not saying that the BATFEIEIO can’t make a goofy ruling about it (gh0d knows there’s precedent), but the shoelace was attached to the gun.
November 30th, 2007 at 5:22 pm
The very first thing I thought when I saw this was “Look how @^#’ing inaccurate that is!“.
My thoughts too. I don’t get the point.
November 30th, 2007 at 5:38 pm
It makes the weapon shootier and louder. More dakka = more win.
November 30th, 2007 at 6:52 pm
Never has much luck with the bump firing, even tried the one with the rubber band, but it did not work for me. On a funny and odd note, a buddy of mine who is SO in a county close to me gave me some alerts from Illinois on bump firing. It featured the video that Shoot the Messager did with his AR 9mm carbine. Him and I found it humorous.
November 30th, 2007 at 7:36 pm
On the issue of bump firing semi-autos. Isn’t that a wee bit dangerous?
November 30th, 2007 at 8:41 pm
Bump-firing is nothing more than an extended double-tap. Don’t know about other readers, but we had FeeBee range instructors on my second police academy in 1985 in Oregon, and they taught us double-tap with Glocks.
If you say that bumpfiring (without aids like J. Lee does it) is somehow making the weapon into a machine gun, then so is double-tap, so why does the Eff Bee Eye still advocate it? I’m thinking that anyone up for trial on an unregistered weapons charge because of this could make a monkey out of the Federal Attorney by introducing witnesses of the Federal persuasion who would testify that double-tap is exactly the same thing, with respect to physiology AND the physics of recoiling weapons. Now, if the Feds wanted to persuade their agents NOT to testify in such cases, wouldn’t that be Witness Tampering?
So, bumpfire all you want, and if you are arrested, you’d better up your ammo budget and get REALLY good at it, so you can show that, like Mr. J. Lee, you can do it all with your fingers.
And no, SailorCurt, I don’t think we should kowtow to the Bradys on this one. I say tough toenails to them. It goes to show the utter futility of trying to regulate weapons, as if we haven’t already been shown that futility by the likes of Al Qaeda.
We gunnies have guns on our side, and all the Bradys have on theirs is fear, and an illogical fear at that. Why give a superior position away to an inferior enemy who is poorly positioned to defeat you?
The worst thing we can do in these comments is reveal that we are afraid of the Bradys. I’m not, because in the final analysis, I will be able to dictate to THEM, not the other way around.
Sorry, went all Radley on all y’all for a moment…
December 1st, 2007 at 10:01 am
I don’t think this is showing “fear of the Brady’s” I think this is showing respect for what the uninformed masses could do to our rights if they were stirred to do so…sort of like they did in 1994…and 1968….and 1934…and countless other more minor times in between.
Standing tall in the middle of the tracks, shaking a fist and declaring “I’m not gonna let that darn train tell ME where I can walk” gets you crushed like a bug.
December 1st, 2007 at 10:21 am
Curt’s right. You show that video to Suzie Soccermom, she sees a machine gun.
Never mind you couldn’t hit squat with it, it’s just like latest action movie she saw.
And, if it’s the Bradies showing it to her, well….
December 1st, 2007 at 7:01 pm
Dear Soccer Mom,
The Constitution of the United States can be very scary. Sometimes people in white hoods get to march down the street. We have to let them, so your little girl can be in the 4th of July parade with her ballerina class.
You see, we don’t get to choose which freedoms we like, or to whom we can extend these freedoms, just because it scares us. We couldn’t ‘cancel’ these freedoms even if we voted to, because the laws of God and Nature aren’t voted on. The Bill of Rights simply enumerates laws that all men have.
In response to your short-sighted endeavor to create the conditions which will enslave us and spit on the graves of Americans who fought for freedom, fuck you, molon labe, etc.
Strong message to follow. Hugs & kisses…
December 2nd, 2007 at 5:52 am
“Bump-firing is nothing more than an extended double-tap.”
Thank you for the information.
December 3rd, 2007 at 9:54 am
You are correct. If a Benelli is not against your shoulder, it will not cycle.
December 4th, 2007 at 3:58 pm
No, the opposite is true. The gun has to be able to move rearward in order to operate the action. If it were prevented from moving rearward (up against a wall, for instance) it would not cycle.
I’m surprised nobody has answered the original question… You can make a pistol into a rifle by adding a stock, but you have to also add a barrel >16″ or SBR it. You CANNOT (legally) make a rifle into a pistol by chopping the barrel and stock.