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A guide to saps and blackjacks. I’ve never really considered carrying one, honestly. Until now. Anyone carry something similar?

21 Responses to “Coloring books for Christmas”

  1. FiftycalTX Says:

    Due to one of the unforeseen consequences of Texas law and concealed handguns, there is a “loophole” for carrying a “less than lethal” weapon if you have a license to carry and you have your handgun on you. To Wit: Sec.46.15. NONAPPLICABILITY. (b)Section 46.02 does not apply to a person who:(6)is carrying:(A)a license issued under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, to carry a handgun; and(B)a handgun:(i)in a concealed manner; or
    (ii)in a shoulder or belt holster;
    Now, why is that important? Well, Sec. 46.02 sez: Sec. 46.02.UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) person commits an offense if the person:(1)intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries
    on or about his or her person a handgun or club;

    Now, the license to carry applies directly to the handgun and there are various other laws regarding that. But no where else is the “club” mentioned and I’ll bet a lot of LTC instructors “forget” to mention it in the 4 hour class. My Wrangler Riggs carpenter type jeans have a slot on the right leg that holds a 24 in. collapsable ASP baton. Better to have it and not need it, etc.

  2. Mike Says:

    Where I live it’s a felony for me to think about those.

  3. nk Says:

    They’re like switchblades used to be in Illinois, except that Chicago cops would only break your switchblade but arrest you for a blackjack.

    I’ve seen and handled both kinds. Flat and round. They’re not much good for fighting. They’re good for abusing prisoners and hitting somebody over the head from behind.

  4. mikee Says:

    Since my first pickup truck purchase in 1985, I’ve carried the same 24″ length of 3/4″ iron pipe, which I use as a lever arm on the lug wrench to remove wheel nuts when changing flats. I’ve used it on 4 flat tires over the years, if memory serves. I have never had to use it for anything else, but it is always there in the bed of the truck should any need arise where blunt force could be useful.

  5. JTC Says:

    “saps and blackjacks”

    How’s that for a Freudian slip?

    Funny. And accurate.

  6. Bryan Says:

    It’s not a sap. It’s a “coin purse”.

  7. Jody Says:

    I’ve made a few bottle opener/key chains that have finger guards to aid in holding and protecting ones fingers when the bottle cap comes loose.

  8. rickn8or Says:

    mikee, I’ve got a hammer handle in my pickup cab that I keep forgetting to take indoors.

    Also, there’s this key fob:

    My homemade one is similar.

  9. Robert Evans Says:

    The sap used to be a regular part of a cop’s gear, and was used for a specific purpose – – to render someone unconscious by a blow to the temple. It would come out in the sort of dogpile fight that Rodney King was subjected to – – and Rodney would have quit struggling much sooner if an experienced sergeant had laid the sap on him as was done up to the 1970’s.

    There’s a great old book titled City Police by Jonathan Rubinstein that details the use of the sap in the Philadephia Police Department, it’s a fascinating read and well worth acquiring for the historical value.

  10. Ravenwood Says:

    When Virginia went from “May Issue” to “Shall Issue” back in the 1990s, they changed the Concealed Weapon Permit to a Concealed Handgun Permit, which covers only that. Thus to carry a less than lethal weapon legally is difficult and would require some studying of the various laws governing what is legal and what is not.

    For us, it’s easier just to carry a gun. Especially when open carry is completely unregulated.

  11. Joe A Says:

    The concept of blunt object trauma to the head as a “less lethal” compliance tool should have died out with Mickey Spillane.

    As the post title implies, a solid blow to the head by an object with a good deal of mass – even if not always lethal, very often has permanent life altering consequences. And, will generally be looked upon as “lethal force” by the judicial system.

    I prefer my lethal force to be more reliably effective and capable of being applied at greater than breath-mint distances. For less lethal alternatives – and I’m a firm advocate of them – I prefer solutions that are pretty reliably effective, legally accepted almost everywhere, and virtually impossible to result in permanent injury.

    Currently my solution is 3% Oleoresin Capsicum in an oil based delivery medium, delivered in pressurized aerosol form. Repeat as necessary, or follow up with 115 grains of lead coated in copper, and applied via rapid gaseous expansion.

  12. Roadkill Says:

    I do a part time gig as a security guard at a resort. They have rules against me carrying a gun, but none such on carrying blunt impact tools. So I carry an 11inch sap in my back pocket during my shifts. Carried it for years now. Never had to use it, but I’ve had my hand around it a few times when dealing with particularly nasty drunks that seem ready for a fight on the boat docks. Its too dangerous to have a big scuffle out there, I’d rather have the ability to stop them fast if push comes to shove.

  13. Kurt Says:

    Never really gave a sap/black jack too much consideration as I’d really not get in hand-to-hand distance with an aggressor. If it comes to that I’d be going for a knife as they’re less legally restricted.

    Similar to mikee, I keep a 24″ breaker bar by the driver’s seat of my vehicle and a heavy duty 18′ flat screwdriver in the door pocket. Both are dual use.

  14. Mike V. Says:

    In the mid 70s, when I was a fuzzy cheeked you copper; I worked with older guys who knew where and how hard to stun an arm, make a man wobbly, or knock him out and not leave a mark. It was a skill that couldn’t really be taught, only learned through experience. It was at the tail end of the sap days though and I never learned.

  15. Heath J Says:

    I’ve got one of Doc Barranti’s finest.

    Great for air travel, no one notices a coin pouch.

  16. Andrew Says:

    In Ohio one can’t sell “sap gloves, billy clubs, batons, switchblades or gravity knives” except to LE.
    One can “own” them though, noodle on that.

    But Ohio’s “CHL” covers “Handguns”.
    That’s all which can be “concealed”.
    One can “openly” carry pretty much any weapon desire, but some are going to get you attention.

    A “sap or baton” might be handy, but I can’t even fondle one to ponder it due to the lack of purchase options.

  17. JTC Says:

    @ Andrew,

    If only there were some kind of communications platform whereby a person could buy things from other persons that are not available to him locally.

    But I did talk myself out of a lot of sales over 40 years in the tools of self defense biz; whenever somebody asked my opinion of sticks, slaps, clubs, asps, knucks etc. I told them tote a gun and/or pepper spray for obvious reasons of proximity and dexterity, and when I was younger and builter I would answer by quickly grabbing them by the arms or collar and yank them toward me then ask them how they would access and swing a club now. I also emphasized proximity even when armed with a gun by telling them in different words what Tamara later stated better, more succinctly, and funnier than I had ever seen thusly:

    “If you’re being attacked by somebody within arm’s reach, *you* don’t have a gun, *y’all* have a gun.”

    One of her occasion flashes of acerbic brilliance right there. Takeaway being, make some space between you and the threat before accessing your piece, and toting tools strictly made for hand-to-hand? Just ain’t seeing the context for it.

  18. nk Says:

    Put a stout lanyard, the best would be the square ones your kids made at summer camp, on your Leatherman tool.

  19. JTC Says:

    Pull out a knife, tie it to a string, and use it for a crappy flail? Definitely never woulda thought of that.

  20. nk Says:

    In days of old
    When men were bold
    And saps were not invented
    They put a rock inside a sock
    And muggings were prevented

  21. Jerry Gibbs Says:

    I still want to see that 18′ screwdriver.