Guns in parking lots
TN bill allowing you to sue your employer if they fire you for guns on their property advances. I’m not a fan of telling people what to do with their property. Of course, a secured vehicle is not their property and if their parking lot is public, well, I dunno.
Torn on this one.
March 24th, 2015 at 6:52 pm
Yup. If you can fire grocery store “A” for any reason, or for no reason at all, and go to grocery store “B”, thus harming grocery store A’s bottom line, then the same principle applies to people you hire to work in your business. You’re free to hire and fire at a whim, and either benefit or suffer the consequences accordingly., It’s none of any government entity’s business whatsoever, that is, unless you believe that your grocery store should be able to sue you for going to another grocery store out of some kind of prejudice, thus harming them unfairly.
“You’re stupid, Lyle! That’s totally different…”
No, it’s exactly the same – you have the right to do business, or not do business, with anyone for any reason. It’s called liberty, but few people seem to understand the concept.
If the government can force me to hire you, or to keep you on after I’ve decided I don’t want you, then it can also force YOU to spend YOUR money where YOU don’t want to spend it. Force, force, force. I guess we al want to force another people to do what we want, so long as we’re not being forced to do anything. Dumbasses end up as slaves that way, and worse. Most of you are dumbasses, though, hence the problem.
March 24th, 2015 at 8:13 pm
Tell me which hospital within a fifty miles of Nashville will allow one of its surgeons, obstetricians, and other doctors required to use hospital services to do their jobs to carry.
Oh, none of them? And that’s not the law, it’s just that they all have the same no gun policy?
Well I guess I still have the freedom to not be a doctor.
Oh but the policy also applies to patients and their families. I guess I have the freedom to…never need to go to the hospital?
March 24th, 2015 at 8:53 pm
It’s in your car. Not their property.
What if the company told you that you can’t keep a bible in your car?
March 24th, 2015 at 9:25 pm
No worries. I never leave the gun in the car at work anyhow…
March 24th, 2015 at 9:26 pm
So if your employer fires you for having a gun in your car, and is foolish enough to admit it, you can hire a lawyer (if you can afford one) and sue him.
I the meantime your ass is still fired, looking for a job with “why did you leave your last employer?” on all your applications.
I look around at other states that have passed similar legislation without all the drama on the first try and wonder why Tennessee can’t get its’ shit together.
March 24th, 2015 at 9:37 pm
I look around at other states that have passed similar legislation without all the drama on the first try and wonder why Tennessee can’t get its’ shit together.
Open primaries.
March 24th, 2015 at 9:40 pm
Rickn8or, Could it be because our governor used to belong to MAIG and the House Speaker does everything he tells her to do?
March 24th, 2015 at 9:59 pm
wizardpc, Mike V.: Yup and yup.
March 24th, 2015 at 10:10 pm
I was very happy when my company started renting space in a public lot neatly allowing my to sidestep the no guns on company property problem.
March 25th, 2015 at 12:52 am
The way I see it is if a company hires my services and provides my mobile castle a free place to park while I provide my services, then it shouldn’t matter whether I have a vaccinated mean-ass K-9 that has a worse bite than a pissed-off cottonmouth, or an 11-round .45 ACP self-defense pistol with two extra magazines inside of said “my mobile castle”.
If some employers don’t like or approve of what their employees can legally keep and transport in their own mobile castles, then those employers should pony up, diversify and provide bus transportation services for their employees.
March 25th, 2015 at 3:36 am
Companies are the business arm of the state.
Thus your rights apply on the job.
Now, I would prefer to be free, but if we are going to be slaves, at least let us carry.
March 25th, 2015 at 6:00 am
I’ve always felt my employers property ends where my tires begin. What’s in my car is my business. It won’t leave the car if they don’t want it on their property.
March 25th, 2015 at 6:52 am
And to answer an earlier question, the last time this was being debated, Fedex counsel testified that they had every right to ban Bibles in their employees’ cars if they so chose.
March 25th, 2015 at 8:32 am
kahr40,
Maybe someone can verify or correct, but I have heard that the inside of your vehicle is legally considered an extension of your dwelling area. Otherwise an employer could violate other rights such as reading material, what radio station you had tuned in, etc. along with what means of self defense you chose to protect your own body in your travels. But according to property rights they may violate your rights on their property. But since theBill of Rights is directed toward the government, it would seem that if you were employed by the government, they may not violate your rights.
March 25th, 2015 at 9:10 am
If your employer says you can’t carry in your place of work, and can’t leave your gun in your vehicle in the parking lot, then your employer is effectively denying you the right to self-defense to and from work.
Maybe all employers that don’t want your gun in your locked car in their parking lot should be required to install gun lockers like courthouses have so their employees are not denied their civil rights.
March 25th, 2015 at 12:38 pm
[Shrugs shoulders.] The litigation climate is a big factor in businesses’ decision to do business in a state. Gun companies are not the only ones that can vote with their feet when they find a state’s laws too unpalatable.
March 25th, 2015 at 12:47 pm
A couple of Socratic questions for people: First, what is the first word of the First Amendment? Second, where, does that word appear in the Second Amendment?
A careful analysis of the answers to these questions might prove fruitful to the conversation of who can prohibit what. Don’t, however, read into that my thoughts on the subject.
March 25th, 2015 at 12:52 pm
I’ve had discussions/ arguments about this at work. My contention is that if you have to pass through a guarded/ gated access to the parking lot then the employer can dictate whatever the hell that they want but if the parking lot is public access [not necessarily public parking] then that case of beer, bottle of whiskey, carton of smokes and you pappy’s 30-30 in the back seat are not an issue. Regardless of what company policy is once you enter the controlled enclosure or the front door, the public access parking lot IS and extension of your dwelling.
March 25th, 2015 at 5:11 pm
If they don’t respect my rights, I don’t feel any obligation to respect theirs.
March 26th, 2015 at 12:32 pm
I’d be happy with
a. government agencies are prohibited from banning guns from the parking lot.
b. The government is prohibited from doing any business with a company that bans guns from the parking lot.
c. The government is prohibited from doing business with any business that does business with a company that bans guns from the parking lot.”
If there is come corner-case small business, they should be allowed to do as they please.
March 26th, 2015 at 5:13 pm
If as in FL your vehicle is covered under Castle Doctrine, then the same rules that apply for your home apply for your vehicle.
So let us consider that not all “vehicles” are for transportation; i.e. mobile homes on rented park lots. Can a park owner usurp my right to possess a firearm within my mobile home castle? No? Well then a company owner may not usurp that right within my car castle.
But, whoever up there said something like, “Companies are the business arm of government.” STFU.