So, they caught suspect 2
Police shut down a city, went door to door searching houses, and, in a bit of irony, didn’t check the outside of a house. After the shutdown was lifted, a homeowner, now allowed to go outside, found him. Probably could have found him sooner if police hadn’t overreacted. Not a good day for America, frankly. The donut bit just makes it a bit more sad.
April 20th, 2013 at 11:58 am
Cops claim they found him using FLIR on a helicopter.
April 20th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
They “found” him with the helicopter after the home owner called them and said, “Hey, there is some guy bleeding all over my boat.”
April 20th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
So now we know that 3 Generations of Sheeple-Training by the Progressives Political Elite in the Northeast DOES result in Millions of Serfs Blindly Obeying Orders.
Let’s Hope that the Current Regime doesn’t think that rest of the Republic are that Spineless and will “Fall into Line.”
April 20th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
So how, pray tell, did they over react?
Not a good day? No civilians were killed in the man hunt, the last suspect was apprehended and the citizens were inconvenienced for a day.
Seems to me no matter what the outcome was you would be bitching about how the police handled it.
April 20th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Yup, disregarding fourth amendment rights is real inconvenience.
April 20th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
The “stay indoors” was a sound -request-, particularly in a fairly limited area if they had PC of the location. Stopping vehicles leaving that defined geographic area to talk briefly to the driver is probably supportable. As is going door to door and just knocking and talking to those who answer as a welfare check within that area. If you get a door answered, I think you can always ask to be allowed to search the home and curtilage.
It’s “locking down” hundreds of blocks and forcing entry into unoccupied homes and warrantless, or lack of direct PC, searches of occupied homes that are the rub, in my opinion.
April 20th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
and the cops didn’t find him: a citizen did.
April 20th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
>So how, pray tell, did they over react?
Just you watch, because all that cheering in B-town totally went to every Statists’ head.
Next time next Dorner, they’ll “lock-down” the entire state.
>It’s “locking down” hundreds of blocks and forcing entry into unoccupied homes and warrantless, or lack of direct PC, searches of occupied homes that are the rub, in my opinion.
This troubles me too, but I’ve yet to find anything concrete that they forced a search upon anybody. If it happened, yea we ought to raise a shitstorm.
April 20th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
I’m wonder why a dog couldn’t have tracked him from where the car crashed to where he was hiding. He was probably leaving a blood trail as well and I don’t think it rained that night/day.
April 20th, 2013 at 6:07 pm
It’s certainly not conclusive, but I saw a few tweets yesterday that boiled down to “SWAT asked to search, I said no, they left.” I also haven’t seen any indications yet that they were entering unoccupied homes.
I’m leaning towards Matthew Carberry’s viewpoint – they might have come close, but I don’t think they quite overstepped the bounds of reasonableness this time.
April 20th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
Not a good test case for over-reach. The police acted in the interest of safety. No gun confiscations. No illegal searches.
April 21st, 2013 at 12:20 am
I’m not impressed. With a jazzion cops all over the place, looking hither and yon, a CITIZEN found him. I guess the cops looked hither and overlooked yon.
April 21st, 2013 at 1:08 am
To be fair, the homeowner knew what “normal” is for his yard and boat, the cops don’t. As I recall he noticed a ladder was moved against the boat from somewhere else, only then noticed the blood. The cops wouldn’t have that first clue and we don’t know what the bloodtrail looked like or what time of day the cops were there.
I don’t disagree with the sentiment, especially if law enforcement starts slapping themselves on the back too much.
April 21st, 2013 at 2:22 pm
Also, it is worth noting that the cops shot at least 200 rounds at the boat, judging from the audio and the damage, and they hit him… once.
And he was already hit before they started.
April 21st, 2013 at 3:57 pm
To be fair, he was apparently hiding just outside the 20 block area they were searching, so wouldn’t have noticed because they actually didn’t check that house.
Also to the cops’ and city leaders’ credit, when they finished searching the defined area they lifted the lockdown. They didn’t use the fact that they hadn’t found him to continue it or expand the search area.
April 21st, 2013 at 7:31 pm
I hear alot of Bostonians were secretly wishing they had a gun to protect themselves inside their houses while waiting for cops who may or may not show up that day.
April 21st, 2013 at 8:25 pm
The cops in Mass were magnificent. This was a very violent active shooter/mad bomber incident and they took control of the scene as they are allowed to do by law and conducted their search of the neighborhood. The shelter in place order was so they wouldn’t have to do a house to house search. Get a grip.
April 21st, 2013 at 8:33 pm
@Six There was ONE guy and that justified telling people to stay inside? A 20 block radius? And the guy STILL wasn’t even in that radius.
I think its you who need to get a grip.
April 21st, 2013 at 8:46 pm
Yeah and only forcibly entered and committed aggravated assault.
April 22nd, 2013 at 8:54 am
It is my opinion that most of the Bill of Rights were penned to protect citizens rights in exactly this kind of situation. The government can easily created their own event in which they could impose their “reasonable restrictions” on everyone.
What good is the Constitution and the Bill of Rights if its protections are being turned “off and on” when its convenient for the government?