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This will not end well

Iran drops a submarine in the Gulf.

22 Responses to “This will not end well”

  1. Robert Says:

    Life expectancy of said Kilo class sub if any shooting starts < 1 minute.

  2. Gerry Says:

    We should thank them. ASW practice with a real sub in pretty shallow water. Should make for good training operation.

  3. HL Says:

    God. I thought you meant the Gulf of Mexico at first.

  4. JD Rush Says:

    Heck, I just figured another one of their boats sank under mysterious circumstances.

  5. wizardpc Says:

    God. I thought you meant the Gulf of Mexico at first.

    No, that’s the Russians.

  6. treefroggy Says:

    Robinson’s “Kilo Class” is a good primer.

  7. Jim Says:

    Shouldn’t be too hard for ASW assets to track…… just look for the oil trail from the stench soaking through the hardened steel hull, and the schools of dead fish unlucky enough to have swam through their offal.

    Sunk New Dawn
    Galveston, TX

  8. FTNuke Says:

    Good, that will give the poor guys over there on deployment something to actually track. You have no idea how boring ASW missions are when there are no actual submarines to track.

  9. Linoge Says:

    Given the number of surface ships bobbing around that particular body of water, and given the limited size of the Gulf in general, it is almost a fair bet that all of the surface ships going active on sonar to find that stupid little sub would be enough to kill the crew…

    I jest, but we keep a tin can or two boring holes in the Gulf as well, and I can guarandamntee you it is crawling up that Kilo’s arse right about now; hell, that is exactly the class of ships those sonar techs trained for :).

    Now, if the IRGCN starts deploying their motley crew of Boghammars, small boats, and Lord knows what else, things will get very bad indeed.

    This may be a useful read for those interested, especially with the clarifications between the Iranian Navy and the IRGCN (which can loosely be summed up as “misguided” versus “insane”).

  10. Chas Says:

    The U.S. Navy eats Russian submarines for breakfast. They had a lot of practice during the cold war, courtesy of Russia.

  11. Geodkyt Says:

    Kilo versus NATO ASW teams? Easy meat.

    Suicide swarms of IRG boats? Hope the target ships are equipped with light cannon OTHER than Phalanx CIWS (“_C_aptain, _I_t _W_on’t _S_hoot!)

    We’re not really set up to take out kamikaze speedboats in waves, and Phalanx SUCKS against surface targets, regardless of the propaganda out of Raytheon or the Kool-Aid drinkers who believe in CIWS like a Dark Ages peasant believes in his anti-demon charms.

  12. Paul Says:

    Old Russian subs?

    Fine with me. Very easy to get rid of. Not so quite and unreliable.

    Now if it was a Tango that would be a different matter…

  13. Old NFO Says:

    Gerry’s right… Just sayin… 🙂

  14. Jerry Says:

    Look for floaters, my guess is that old Russkie subs have small septic systems.

  15. Linoge Says:

    In fairness, I have seen, first hand, the aftermath of a Block 1B CIWS ripping up a surface target. It ain’t pretty.

    But that assumes the system is up which, as was previously mentioned, is never a guarantee…

  16. Bubblehead Les Says:

    Oh, I’m sure that the U.S. Navy’s ASW Gang would do a fine job on those Persian Boats.

    That is, if the L.A. Class Fast Attacks that are attached to those Carrier Battle Groups leave you any scraps.

    Right, Old NFO? : )

    Just sayin….

  17. John Smith. Says:

    Believe me. There has been a US sub loitering in the area waiting for the launch more than a week now..

  18. HL Says:

    I suspect that those speedboats in mass numbers are trouble. I wonder how many a helicopter carrier could take out?

  19. RWC Says:

    “like a Dark Ages peasant believes in his anti-demon charms.”

    Nowadays we have “Gun Free Zone” signs to take their place.

  20. comatus Says:

    I’m not laughing. What if the Chinese have breathed on this hull? AIP and a Lada paint job, and it might just pop up inside your battle group one sunny day. It has happened before, and with an older model, too.

    I wonder how much the assembled chiefs’ mess here knows of the revolution in US ASW since The Event of 2007. I’d almost bet there hasn’t been one.

    They can’t see well enough to bomb Pearl Harbor. We won’t need the gatlings, Reno; there’s no way the Lakota have Winchesters. They couldn’t hit an elephant at this

  21. Robert Says:

    That’s a Navy Cross waiting to happen.

  22. Geodkyt Says:

    Linoge —

    IF the Block 1B is working, and IF it actually hits the target — neither of which is real certain. But yeah, if you get rounds on target, the ROF pretty much guarantees “smoldering diesel slick filled with splinters”.

    OTH, I’ve reviewed a few live fire exercise results and let’s just say, I’d rather be on a ship with unstabilized twin-50s than one relying on Phalanx for any kind of surface target. Better kill rates, almost guaranteed availability. Go to something like a soft-mount, or a Mk38 Mod2 (stabilized 25mm Bushmaster), or a Mk46 (stabilized 30mm Bushmaster II), and any surface target small enough to not need a 5″ to engage it is easy meat.

    They had one destroyer test that was a full end-to-end ATFP exercise, and all the surface targets engaged by Phalanx had to be finished off with unstabilized single .50 cals after the Phalanx shot itself dry for very few hits.