Or you could teach them real gun safety
Not sure what it is about NYPD cops and light triggers being blamed (Glock NY trigger for example) but they’re at it again:
The NYPD has instructed cops to stop carrying an off-duty gun that has a trigger so light it’s been blamed for a series of accidental discharges, the Daily News has learned.
NYPD spokesman Paul Browne says the Kahr K-9 semi-automatic pistol has led to more than a dozen such shootings — none resulting in a fatality. The shootings have occurred over the last few years, a source said.
Or you could teach them to keep their booger-hooks off the bang-switches.
December 12th, 2011 at 10:33 am
The shitty craftsman blames his tools…
December 12th, 2011 at 11:06 am
And they’re blaming the Kahr trigger system?
That’s a DAO with a long (if very even and smooth) pull.
Not exactly a “hair” trigger.
Wow, they can’t even demonize right.
December 12th, 2011 at 11:07 am
That’s odd. Kahr triggers, while superb imho, are known for being extremely long. I have one, as do several members of my family (one of them a K-9), and all of them have veeeery long triggers, at least as long as a revolver, and nobody argues that a revolver trigger causes negligent discharges. There’s no way to fire any Kahr firearm without deliberate manipulation of the trigger.
December 12th, 2011 at 11:26 am
Having done a Side by Side with a Kahr vs the Ruger LC9, something tells me that the NYPD need to be retrained. AD with a Kahr? If they are having trouble with a Khar’s trigger, they better take away their Glocks and go to Matchlocks!
Unless, of course, someone in NYPD is pushing for Mini-Glocks to be the “Only Ones’ authorized, and he/she is getting a Kickback. But there’s nothing to suggest that any Police Corruption has occurred in the NYPD recently…; )
December 12th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
Yep, the trigger on my PM45 is about 6lbs, but its a good bit longer in pull stroke than my J-frame which isn’t exactly a short pull.
December 12th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Come on guys. Remember, we’re talking ’bout Yankees here.
And NYFC Yankees at that.
December 12th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
The Kahr trigger IS to light. I’ve owened two of them and I went back to my Glock with NY-1 trigger both times.
I was afraid to hoslter the guns (behind the hip holsters) cause of the chance the triggers might be pulled by part of the holsters.
The Kahr needs either a heavier trigger, Glock style trigger, or a safety.
December 12th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
If the problem is the trigger getting pulled, how would a Glock style trigger help? If the trigger gets pulled, the gun doesn’t care if it was intentional or not, or if it was a finger or part of a holster, it goes “bang” either way.
It’s a training issue, not an equipment issue.
December 12th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
Kahr is light and short compared to what? A Beretta M-9?
Wasn’t a NY trigger suppose to reproduce a double action revolver?
December 12th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
Jake,
Go look at a Glock trigger and notice the gizmo that is part of the trigger. Wonder why it is there?
That gizmo will stop the trigger from going back if it is brushed against by anything.
And then notice how heavy a NY-1 trigger is compaired to a standard Khar trigger.
And the heavier trigger will give you warning there is something wrong when you try to insert the weapon back into it’s holster.
December 12th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
Its simple, they either blame the gun, or all that crap about “highly trained professionals” the press likes to drone on about will be found out as.. crap. There are some highly trained professional cops. But I suspect they are overshadowed by the multitude of clock punchers with badges.
December 12th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
Sorry paul but the kahr trigger is just fine as is. Why would anyone put a ny1 trigger in a glock unless mandated by the communist state they live in?!?
Got a glock 17(gen 2) that I have had since 1989-1990, standard 5.5 lb trigger & wouldnt want a heavier trigger.
As has been stated by others, don’t blame the tool for an operator error.
December 12th, 2011 at 7:37 pm
The NYPD is the 7th largest army in the world… according to Bloomberg… The possibility that they are untrained is unpossible (hat tip from this site)… Maybe they should get proper fitting holsters because the chance that it could catch when reholstering THAT bad is also unpossible… I love my Kahr, but the loooooong pull is mechanically improbable for a negligent discharge that didn’t involve a finger in the trigger dry firing an “unloaded” gun….
December 12th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
SteveA,
The NYPD at first used standard Glock triggers. ADs went up quite a bit. Then they put in NY-1 and while the rate went down it didn’t go all the way back down. So they went to NY-2 (11 lb triggers, I’ve shot one and I HATE IT.)
The AD rate went down to were revolvers were before the transition.
You see the cops many times have to reholster quickly in order to cuff suspects. Sometimes they just stuff their guns back into their belts when handling offender’s guns. With a Kahr, that can be real dangerious. Hence the NY triggers.
December 12th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
I’d be real curious to see a study of NDs for everyday folks vs NYPD carrying the same firearm. I still only see this as a training issue. If your holster is pulling the trigger that bad, you need new equipment.
December 13th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
And if that “anything” catches the gizmo as well, it will stop nothing. And NYPD apparently had the same issue with Glock triggers with the gizmo, too.
If that’s the cause, why don’t other departments have the same issue with unmodified triggers (i.e., standard Glock triggers, Kahr triggers if any other departments use them, etc.)?
It’s a training issue. Proper training and proper gun handling are the proper solutions. Changing the equipment to compensate only reinforces the bad habits, and will eventually get someone killed.