Rule one

All guns are always loaded:

A United Airlines employee was accidentally shot by a passenger who was trying to check a hunting rifle for a flight at Louis Armstrong International Airport in Kenner.

10 Responses to “Rule one”

  1. Don says:

    Yep. Rule One.

    I have never been in the military, but I am told that on some military installations, they have some sort of sand-filled barrel in which a weapon is pointed while it is being cleared. If a firearm is to be cleared in the interior of an airport, perhaps some such arrangement would be useful as a secondary precaution.

  2. Bubblehead Les says:

    Who bought Cletus the Airline Ticket? We know that Homo Sapiens Cletii can’t understand the words “Make sure all Firearms are empty BEFORE bringing them to the Airline Counter”.

  3. mita says:

    Too bad it wasn’t a TSA agent.

    (oh, did I say that out loud?)

  4. Sid says:

    In words of Bill Cosby, was your head with all day today?

    Don, your information is correct. The US Army uses clearing barrels. A soldier places the muzzel of the weapon in the barrel after removing the magazine. Then, the soldier pulls the bolt to the rear and inspects the chamber to ensure the weapon is clear.

    I do not like this system but it is much improved over the previous range operations and clearing rods. I would prefer the soldier performed the operation with the weapon pointed in a safe direction. There is nothing magic about the clearing barrel. The weapon will not fire if you do not pull the trigger. Clear it. I clear weapons in my own home (the horror) all the time.

    I have to agree with Bubblehead Les. Who the hell bought Cletis a damn airline ticket? Since 9-11, how can you even contemplate carrying a weapon into an airport without ensuring beyond any doubt that the damn weapon is clear? Was your head with you when you cleared it?

  5. Cargosquid says:

    “guns are allowed in checked baggage provided they are declared during the ticket counter check-in process, unloaded and in a hard-sided container.”

    This could have been avoided if the gun just had to be in a locked, hard-sided container. Needing to show clear in an airport is just stupid. “Stop fiddling with it!” as more than one gun expert has said.

  6. Bill says:

    I’ve never had to show clear when I’ve checked weapons.

    Probably depends on the gun savviness (is that a word?) of the inspector. If he understands weapons, he wouldn’t necessarily make you do that, realizing that a locked, hardsided bag is not going to discharge all by itself!

  7. Link P says:

    I am not sure why the United representative was involved in viewing the weapon. The airline employees have, in my experience, only provided the firearms declaration, and then directed the passenger to the TSA for inspection. When I first flew with a firearm (post 9-11) the TSA did handle the weapon and inspect the chamber. On more recent flights they informed me that policy had been changed (I presume to prevent the need to operate the action), and passenger affirmation that the weapon was unloaded was all they required of me.

  8. jason says:

    I’ve regularly traveled with a firearm over the course of the last 2 years with Frontier, Continental, US, and United airlines. In my experiences, the ticket agent has always requested I open the case and place the signed declaration INSIDE it (this baffles me, since it is locked with non-TSA locks…so only I can open it). That said, I’ve always been asked to give a verbal confirmation of clear, but have NEVER been asked to show that it is clear and/or touch it. Sounds like a case of an uninformed ticket agent, or an over zealous Cletus.

  9. Ok the gun owner was just stupid but the Airlines are just as stupid for having policies that require the gun be ‘safety checked’ at the counter. It’s not like the Ticket agent would have any experience with guns so how would they even know the gun is “safe” anyway? And there isn’t a safe direction anywhere at a ticket counter to point a gun even if it is unloaded. Let’s face it the reason we have a rule saying Treat all guns as loaded AND even more rules about direction and triggers is because mistakes happen. Having a gun checked at the counter policy just adds to the liability and risk.

    Of course if you give it to the TSA they can decide while handling your property if it’s worth stealing later.

  10. Andrew says:

    The owner is a feaking idiot. The owner needs to go to jail. The owner needs to have the guns he owns removed from his home. Where the heck has personal responsibility in this country gone to?

    He gives legitimate gun owners a bad name.