KRISS Stuff
The guys from KRISS where at the LuckyGunner Shoot and let us play with their pistols and subguns. Here’s a few things:
Video and commentary from Sean.
More from John.
As for me? Well, I liked it. The controls were not the most convenient but I’m sure would be if I handled the weapon enough. After a couple of bursts, I decided to mag dump it. A little rise was enough to make me stop. Then I gripped it a little tighter and let it rip. Stayed reasonably on target (easily minute of dude) and was fun.
I do share Tam’s question about why? I’d think it’d be better suited to a rifle caliber or even 9mm instead of 45acp. Still, it’s a good design.
June 1st, 2011 at 9:24 am
Because the .45ACP is a good round. I agree that posibly developing a rifle caliber action would be a good investment. But most of the high speed units in the US military are moving back to the .45 ACP after sobering up from the 9mm kegger.
As a long serving military policeman, I can readily think of a good use of a submachinegun for the US Army. Those who think “well a pistol caliber round will not penetrate hard plated body armor” have missed the point. Getting shot while wearing the best available armor still hurts. Getting double tapped by this gun will put you down. Once down, you can be finished off. Using a pistol and submachinegun in .45ACP (the KRISS currently accepts Glock G21 magazines) is excellent for entry and building clearing.
Please feel free to disagree, but I have entered and cleared a few buildings.
June 1st, 2011 at 10:24 am
I agree that a subgun in 9mm is pretty well a great balance between managability and capability. I shot at least 6 different subguns this past weekend and the 9mms were far better to shoot than the .45s.
June 1st, 2011 at 10:37 am
I thought the kriss had a hangfire extraction flaw? I posted an opinion on it so long ago that I cannot even remember the exact problem…. In any case did they fix it?
June 1st, 2011 at 10:44 am
When I asked Reuven if the rifle would extract an unfired round, he looked at me like I had two heads. He was far too polite to say what he was thinking, which was “who the hell would be stupid enough to design a weapon that won’t extract an unfired round?” Then he showed us that it could.
Full auto was minute of 5lb propane bottle, easy.
June 1st, 2011 at 11:13 am
Sid,
“Getting double tapped by this gun will put you down.”
Your voice just went to Charlie Brown’s Teacher mode after that line.
If .308 won’t knock you down, even while standing on one leg, then .45ACP sure won’t.
June 1st, 2011 at 11:20 am
Why? A few special scenarios, maybe. PDW for Vehicles/Armor/Arty, and CGB for Urban Warfare, perhaps. And for Fun, of course. But the thought of the K.R.I.S.S. being put into the hands of the Barney Fife’s of the Pima County SWAT Team…
June 1st, 2011 at 11:20 am
That’s CQB. Damn Typos!
June 1st, 2011 at 6:49 pm
It’s a radical design for sure,but as I see it,the KRISS SMG platform is just a fancy Glock stock setup.
June 1st, 2011 at 10:53 pm
“I thought the kriss had a hangfire extraction flaw?”
As I recall, the issue was the magazine had to be dropped to manually extract a round from the chamber.
June 3rd, 2011 at 8:54 am
Tam, not to get into a shouting match… but I said “put you down”. I didn’t say “knock you down”.
Enough pain to the body and most human beings will drop into a near fetal position. Unless they are Tony Stark, there will be a spot vunerable to mere pistol caliber bullets within easy access as you explain to them that they can comply with your instructions in English or enter their vision of the afterlife.
To be very clear, this weapon would serve the purpose of CQB for military applications. Also, it would be ideal for some of us who have to work very closely with host country nationals. I spent 10 months trying to train Iraqi Police and the very real threat to my existence was that one of the young men in the room with me would decide that today was his day to be a martyr. Or the guy in the hallway gets trippy because he doesn’t want to make chai for 18 dinars a day. Or whoever. Having a KRISS on a one-point harness would have made my life safer.
I concur that I don’t want the law enforcement community of Pima County to have these. I don’t really want them to have breech-loaders until some form of rigorous weapons training is implemented.
I cleared buildings in Panama during the Operation Just Cause with an M-16A2. Along with the other light infantrymen, I was begging for a shorter barrel. For military CQB, the KRISS should be tested.