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More AOW confusion

ATF says that a wallet holster with a hole to fire the weapon makes the gun an Any Other Weapon subject to the NFA process. If you look closely in this pic from an Ebay listing you can see a holster (just under the boobs):

It’s made by HolsterPro, who has some videos up about the holster. If you order one, you’ll likely have to register your handgun as an AOW and go through the NFA process. You don’t register holsters, despite common internet gun board wisdom.

33 Responses to “More AOW confusion”

  1. Sebastian Says:

    There’s a holster in that picture?

  2. SoupOrMan Says:

    What? Holster? Where?

  3. The Comedian Says:

    I’ve checked all of the seller’s listings on ebay and I’ve yet to see a holster!

  4. HardC0rps Says:

    I thought the whole point of a holster was to cover the trigger guard…

  5. Gerry Says:

    I’m sorry what were you saying?

  6. Dragon Says:

    I saw someone comment about these types of holsters on a bboard, and especially the ones by HolsterPro. Thought it was really riding a fine line by claiming that because the slide isn’t covered by the holster, its not subject to the NFA registration. I found that a bit odd, because when using a holster like that for a wheelgun and the cylinder is completely exposed, it still is an AOW according to the Feds.

    I was going to offer a wallet holster along these lines, but decided that the law was too. Vauge, and I wasn’t about to risk my business over a holsterr like that.

    Dragon

  7. Jerry Says:

    Is it, in any way, compairable to say, putting a shoulder stock on your SAA? Did we go from handgun, to SBR?

  8. Tam Says:

    I’d hate to set myself up for a “constructive possession” charge while waiting to find out what the BATFEIEIO’s official opinion is. I’m just sayin’…

  9. Ed Says:

    Whereas: Photos of holsters are boring.
    Whereas: Photos of boobs are not boring.
    Be it resolved that all photos of holsters include boobs.

    You listenting Galco, Safariland, Blackhawk, Uncle Mike’s, El Paso Saddlery, Fobus, etc?

  10. ParatrooperJJ Says:

    I think the current ruling is that since the slide is visible when the holster is on the gun that it is not an AOW since the holster does not completely cover the gun.

  11. Caleb Says:

    Aside from the AOW issues, that holster looks like an AWESOME way to shoot yourself in the leg.

  12. Jay G. Says:

    Ed, for the love of all that’s good and holy, don’t give Dragon any ideas. He’s a nice guy and makes one helluva holster, but I do NOT want to see his boobs…

  13. Jeff from DC Says:

    I’m going to get one of these to put on a Glock with pistol foregrip/laser/light and collapisble stock. NFA triple threat…ultimate high score!

  14. one-eyed Jack Says:

    That’s not a hell of a lot different from the laser slipper on my NNA .32 Guardian. Jack.

  15. Rivrdog Says:

    Meh, enjoy the rack, then get a DeSantis.

    http://www.desantisholster.com/store/SEARCH-BY-GUN-MANUFACTURER/KELTEC/P3AT/POCKET-HOLSTERS

  16. Dragon Says:

    @paratrooperjj…

    If that is the current ruling, then please explain why a revolver in the exact same holster *where the cylinder is completely exposed and clearly visible* is an AOW but a pocket semi-auto with the slide visible is NOT an AOW?

    @Jay…you must be Kreskin reincarnate, because I was seriously thinking of doing the whole *man-boobs* thing as a goof…

  17. Firehand Says:

    “We can change our opinion at any time, and our changed opinion can put you in jail.”
    New ATF motto, if they were honest

  18. ParatrooperJJ Says:

    Dragon – I never said the ATF made any sense. All I know is there is a private letter ruling saying that an automatic with the slide visible is not an AOW.

  19. TomcatsHanger Says:

    what do you mean “New” Firehand?

  20. taxidermist Says:

    Nice Rack , a trophy fur shure Eh?

  21. Jim Brack Says:

    This is not a new issue, the High Standard .22 magnum in its wallet holster was classified as an AOW for years now. The bright side is it only cost 5 bucks (atleast it used to0, I haven’t checked lately).

  22. Robert Says:

    Trolling for cheap hits, eh Uncle?

  23. Chas Says:

    With ATF’s budget at a billion dollars a year, it’s not surprising that they also have money to regulate the use of leather goods.

    “Government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem.”
    – Ronald Reagan

  24. MHinGA Says:

    Hey great– a holster that doesn’t protect the trigger, allowing the gun to fire if the trigger gets snagged on anything… what could go wrong?

  25. Bubblehead Les Says:

    When will the so-called Conservative Republicans in the House cut the funding to the ATF? If I use that holster, it’s an AOW. If I put a bare gun in my pocket and hit the streets (depending on the local CCW laws, that is), then it’s cool with the Federales? 14 Trillion in Debt, and those Frackin’ Idiots are still in Business?

  26. Will Says:

    I think the batfe’s objection is that a robber might die with a surprised look on his face, when that “wallet” goes “bang!”. Not sporting.

  27. M4finny Says:

    What holster are you referring to?

  28. Roberta X Says:

    Wouldn’t that holster require a holster?

    If I shoot my gun from inside my purse, isn’t that the same thing and should I not have to register all my purse guns as AOWs?

  29. Dragon Says:

    @roberta X…

    Difference is, your purse gun sits in the purse, and you can fire it from inside the purse, but the purse is not *attached* to the gun.

    In the holster that HolsterPro makes, the holster is actually attached to the gun. A wallet holster, technically, holds the gun in place and disguises it to look as something else entirely. Your Seecamp .32 is simply a gun floating around in your purse with the rest of your stuff.

    No-one ever said the ATF rules are logical….

  30. Kristopher Says:

    Actually, this one is a logical conclusion of the ATF’s usual definition of an AOW:

    If it doesn’t look like a gun, then it’s an AOW.

    Cane guns, pen guns, and that American 180 briefcase are all AOWs.

  31. mikee Says:

    1. Thirty comments and not one used the phrase “racked the slide” or any variation thereof to describe the picture.

    2. Why is any other holster without a cover over the trigger (and there are quite a few) exactly similar to this? Because they don’t disguise the weapon as much as this? Or what?

  32. chris Says:

    More wisdom from the agency which knowing sends guns back to Mexican drug cartels, like the one which was recently used to kill a US law enforcement officer at our border.

  33. mariner Says:

    I think it’s the red that makes those AOWs.