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[i]f … you treat your pistols like we all treat our lawnmowers then don’t get a 1911 – use a Glock.
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February 10th, 2011 at 11:08 am
I’m with you. I gave up on treating my 1911’s like microscopically fine machine parts, having to remember which magazines work reliably in which guns, which guns and magazines work with which ammo, etc…
Glock. Boom! Thats it.
February 10th, 2011 at 11:10 am
You mow your lawn with a Glock? They really *do* do things differently down south…
February 10th, 2011 at 11:28 am
I sure hate having to treat mine like microscopically fine machine parts. đŸ˜‰
February 10th, 2011 at 11:36 am
Some of the criticisms of the 1911 design are legitimate. My 28 year old Colt Combat Government hasn’t failed to fire when the trigger was pulled since George W. Bush’s father lived in Blair House.
And yet, I see people at USPSA matches every year fighting with getting pistols to run … and some of them strangely are not 1911’s.
February 10th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Trolling
February 10th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
On my lawnmower, I change the oil, clean the air filter, sharpen the blade, keep the wheels tight and straight, lube the cables regularly and clean the undersides after cutting. Can I have a 1911?
February 10th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
If you loosen up your 1911 to the same tolerances of a Glock (i.e. run a few hundred thousand rounds through it), it will be as reliable as a Glock.
My Colts are incredibly reliable and Springers are too.
February 10th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
“If you loosen up your 1911 to the same tolerances of a Glock (i.e. run a few hundred thousand rounds through it)”
If you run a few hundred thousand rounds through a 1911, you will probably have destroyed it twice over.
February 10th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
It has become popular, even cool, to disrespect the 1911, which is kinda, well, old. While at the same time, it has become politically incorrect to criticize the Glock, which seems to be the coolest of guns.
And so, before considering any factual information, it seems one must first overcome this cultural bias. Ouch, my head hurts from thinking about it all. Oh well, the sun is out. Maybe I will go shoot one of each…
February 10th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Yeah, I hates me some 1911s and love me a buncha Glocks…
It’s always been cool to get our egos all tied up in chunks of inert steel and plastic and get all butthurt and weepy if someone suggests that they might, after all, just be machines.
So… Mac or Windows?
February 10th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
SPQR wrote “since George W. Bush’s father lived in Blair House.”
When, and why, did he live in Blair House?
February 10th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
Since I’ve never had my grippers on a Glock I cant personally say whether they’re any good or not, but I stand by the 1911. My dad has a M1911A1 that he aquired in New Guinea in 1944, carried it through the Leyte and Luzon campaigns, used it as his off duty piece when he was on LAPD, taught my brothers and sister and I how to shoot with it, and it still works great to this day, with all of the original parts.
I wonder if the owner of a 66 year old Glock that’s been extensivly used will be able to say the same thing.
February 10th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
Tam: Win1911 or Glockintosh?
February 10th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
“SPQR wrote “since George W. Bush’s father lived in Blair House.”
When, and why, did he live in Blair House?”
Uhhhhh, when he was Vice-President Bush. You can look up the dates I’m sure. : )
February 10th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
Yeah, Tam. I bought my first Glock about the time you bought your first gun. Prior to that I was a 1911 fan…I had then worked on by the very best guys in the business back then. King, Brown and Baer, among others; guys who understood that these were carry, not competition guns, on either GI or Colt frames. And the work cost me more than the (new) guns did, by a fair margin.
What I got were guns that were finicky: They’d like certain ammo and magazines ONLY. Mix them up and they’d fail. I learned early on not to bother with GI surplus mags, too: Colt, or high-end mags, each with a number on them so I could tell them apart. Parts would break, or come off (front sight, factory installed?).
Maybe gunsmiths have gotten better (my early Kimbers, and Para-Ords say no, but….). Maybe fate has just determined that I am not ever going to get a reliable 1911. Maybe I should try again.
But, I carry because I want a reliable tool for self defense. With a Glock, I have an out of the box firearm that works with whatever I put in it, every time I squeeze the trigger, and has sufficiently acceptable accuracy doing it. Oh, and for about 40% of the base price (prior to tuning) of one of the modern masters creations.
So why bother?
Now for fun I take the 1911’s out of the safe, get the list that correlates ammo and magazine to frame serial number, match them up, and go shoot them. The grip angle is superior, and they look prettier, than the Tupperware guns. But I learned to shot the Glocks, and looks don’t matter in a life and death situation.
February 10th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
When, and why, did he live in Blair House?”
Uhhhhh, when he was Vice-President Bush. You can look up the dates I’m sure. : )
Blair House is not the VP’s quarters – they are at the US Naval Observatory (1 Naval Observatory Circle). Blair House is across the street from the White House at 1651 Pennsylvania Av NW and is the official guest house for guests of the President.
The GHW Bush’s did live in it for a time during GHW Bushs’ presidency, while the plumbing was fixed at the White House, and stayed in it prior to his moving into the White House.
February 10th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
1. Vice-Presidents don’t generally live at Blair House. The Vice-President lives in a house at the Naval Observatory grounds. Blair House is the guest house for visiting heads of state and such. President Harry Truman lived at Blair House, though, while major repair was done on the White House (after the structure was discovered to be crumbling due to dry rot).
2. Oh, and 1911’s were the game-changing Kalashnikov of their day: highly reliable, easy to take down and put back together, good for close-range fighting, and able to output bullets at a relatively high rate compared to the likely alternatives. Competition accuracy was not a design goal. They weren’t made to be boutique guns with “exquisite trigger feel” and shit like that.
The alleged finicky-ness of the 1911 platform is mostly the result of “improvements” to the mechanical aspects of the original design. Those changes may well bring about better accuracy, ergonomics, weight, k3wl factor, or whatever — that’s not the point. The point is that the engineer’s axiom “good, fast, cheap: pick any two” (in the case of firearms, the trio should probably read “reliable, accurate, cheap”) has to be paid its due deference.
February 10th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
As long as the semi-gun-liteterate continue these conversations, sales of all fairly good firearms will soar to those who are new to the discipline and don’t really know anything. I really liked Tam’s article and likened it to my long-time ownership of SIGs. That being the case, I know how to operate a SIG when it fails; they don’t fail often for me, but the key is to know what to do when it does. A Glock will fail, a 1911 will fail, and HK (gasp!) will fail. Guns are made by humans, and are indeed fallible. Being a human with a gun, you should know how to keep it running when – not if – it fails. If failure drills are not part of your regular training & practice, leave the thing at home. Better yet, do us all a favor and stay home yourself.
Skip the idea that some probably German guns salesman who thinks you suck anyway will try to convince you that his product will never fail while yours always will, and remember that a SEAL, Rob Leatham, Annie Oakley, or any other expert will outdo with a Hi Point a nimrod with whatever super-duper fashion shooter there is this week. Every time.
Many pistols have been proven fairly reliable and accurate over the past century; many have not. Find one that is in the first category, train & learn, practice & plink, and certainly know how to keep it running when it fails. When, not if. The absolutely best super fashionable majorly expensive shooter in the world today will indeed fail at some time. If that’s your pistol and you are relying on it for defensive use, know what to do when it does fail.
Otherwise, get a brick. And, stay home. You’re taking up too much space already.
February 11th, 2011 at 7:03 am
It seems like the entire internet is sometimes completely obsessed with the Glock vs 1911 (almost worse than the 9mm vs .45ACP) debate and never even contemplates any of the other quality firearms out there.
I have Glocks, Sigs, H&Ks, and 1911’s. While the 1911’s can be slightly more picky when it comes to ammo, overall I’ve had more issues with the Glocks then Sig or H&K.
I’ve ran a G17, P226, & USP with the crappiest factory ammo I could find, you know, the kind where theres a cloud hanging in front of the barrel after a full mag, and after running between 500-700 rounds through each gun with no cleaning whatsoever, the issues I experienced were:
H&K – No problems; feeding, jamming, or otherwise.
Sig – Two failures to lock back on empty mag.
Glock – Three jams, two failures to lock back, and 4 stovepipes.
Hmmm…