How many divisions does the court have?
White House intends to ignore a declaratory judgment ruling Obamacare unconstitutional?
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February 5th, 2011 at 10:33 am
guns, secret sex, more guns, ammo and, oh yeah, we hate obamacare.
morons.
February 5th, 2011 at 10:43 am
Such an articulate response. Boy, you got me.
February 5th, 2011 at 11:16 am
“The Court has made its ruling, now lets see them enforce it!”
This sets up an interesting dilemma. What do you do when the police and the government refuse to follow the rule of law? If the Judicial rules that the law is unconstitutional, and the Executive ignores that ruling and enforces the law anyway, what next?
Dictatorship? Second Amendment remedies? Anarchy? Egyptian-style riots? Meek acquiescence?
February 5th, 2011 at 11:25 am
“What do you do when the police and the government refuse to follow the rule of law?”
I think it was a Supreme Court Justice who once said that they had about 50 officers on staff at the Supreme Court, with that being the extent of their “enforcement” power. They being judicial, and not executive, they’re not equipped to handle enforcement.
Enforcement would fall to the American people themselves, who are, of course, slated for disarmament by the political left.
February 5th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
So, why no motion to show cause (contempt) by the other side?
February 5th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
The States ordained the Constitution to establish the Federal Gov’t and the Courts (Article III), so it is incumbent upon the States to force compliance with the Constitution and its established Courts. That can be done by them thusly: If the Executive Branch can ignore the Court, then the States can abide by the Court ruling the healthcare law unconstitutional and ignoring it.
February 5th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
hyun, why so secretive? I don’t go behind the bush to do it. You should come out, too. Secret, pah. Foreigner.
Any executive nowadays ought to be very careful in the matter of Marshall & Jackson. Missing an easily-cited Godwin opportunity, Someone forgot to reforge the military oath of allegiance while the iron was still hot. It’s still to the Constitution, so in certain cases the court would have ALL the divisions (all 10, and shrinking fast) plus the remaining air wings and what’s left of the Fleet. I wouldn’t want to be the One to start this.
February 5th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Yep, it sure was an urgent case to remove the lawless Bush administration from office to put these lawless clown in place.
February 5th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
I’ll take Egyptian-style riots for 200 alex….
February 5th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
So, what would happen if the states just completely ignore Obamacare, and follow the Constitution. If the bureaucrats in the states don’t implement it, then what?
February 5th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
Sounds like the batfae is advising obama on how to break the law….
February 5th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
“The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.” — Henry Kissinger (one of theCFR insiders who found and nutured “Barry” for his future job)
After being an advisor for McCain and tutor to Palin, Ol’ Henry praised his product:
“The president-elect is coming into office at a moment when there is upheaval in many parts of the world simultaneously,…. But he can give new impetus to American foreign policy partly because the reception of him is so extraordinary around the world. His task will be to develop an overall strategy for America in this period when, really, a New World Order can be created. It’s a great opportunity, it isn’t just a crisis….He has appointed an extraordinarily able group of people in both the international and financial fields.” –Henry Kissinger, Jan 6, 2009, re: President-elect Obama
As admitted:
On May 4, 1993, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) president Leslie Gelb said on The Charlie Rose Show that:
“…you [Charlie Rose] had me on [before] to talk about the New World Order! I talk about it all the time. It’s one world now. The Council [CFR] can FIND, NURTURE, and begin to PUT PEOPLE in the kinds of jobs this country needs. And that’s going to be one of the major enterprises of the Council under me.”
February 5th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Well, its not like the courts are one of the three branches of government anyway.
February 5th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
So when someone doesn’t follow an ‘health care’ rule the gov will go to court and ask for a judgment….(oh wait)
February 5th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
Exactly, Tom.
As of this moment, the Obama administration cannot successfully punish anyone for ignoring either Obamacare mandates, or their twice overturned drilling moratorium.
In fact, any official that tried can probably be sued for doing so.
February 5th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
My money’s on meek acquiescence, as usual.
February 5th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
@Tom:
They don’t have to… they can just threaten them with the results of tax evasion.
February 5th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
My recollection is that at this point two federal trial courts (district courts) have held Obamacare unconstitutional, one in Michigan and one in Virginia. These decisions have authority only in those districts in which they were written, and no trial court decision is thought of as final, even in their own districts. The next level, decisions of the United States Court of Appeals, may be thought of as authoritative. But there are twelve federal courts of appeals, and they often disagree. The most common way for a case to go to the U.S. Supreme Court is for there to be a disagreement among the courts of appeals. So we are a way off from a determinative decision on Obamacare since there has not been even one court of appeals decision yet.
http://www.williamlafferty.com
February 5th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
In spite of the fact that there is no authoritative federal decision yet on Obamacare, the title of this thread is appropriate. Ultimately, enforcement of court decisions comes from the people.
Although the general public is not aware of it, the country has come close to Constitutional meltdown a number of times. One was in the 30’s when Roosevelt threatened to pack the court if it did not give him what he wanted (socialism), and another time was in Nixon’s administration, when Schlessinger, the Secretary of Defense, instructed the Joint Chiefs that if the president ordered the deployment of U.S. troops on U.S. soil, that order was not to be followed unless countersigned by him. Schlesssinger was afraid that Nixon would melt down because he had been ordered to release the Watergate tapes and set up a military defense around the White House.
We have lived in a house of cards for some time.
http://www.williamlafferty.com
February 5th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
Sounds like a good opportunity for the State Troopers to earn overtime.
February 5th, 2011 at 11:58 pm
This will be a helpful precedent the next time a Republican President wishes to ignore a ruling by a Democratic judge. Thanks, Obama!
February 6th, 2011 at 2:34 am
Yeah, unfortunately it worked well for Andrew Jackson…
February 6th, 2011 at 5:21 am
“How many divisions does the court have?” Lessee now, about 4K in a brigade, 2-4 brigades in a division, so figure 15K; take 310 million, subtract the lefties, and divide by 15……carry the one…..better than 12,000 divisions, I’d say. Probably enough.
I think Kristopher above has hit on it – this war will be fought in the states, 26 of which now have said they’re not playing the game. A few of the Coastal Communistas (Cali, NY, Oregon, Maine, Maryland, etc.) will stay on board, but I suspect the “no thanks” brigade will grow to 30-36 in a year (and, remember, 34 is the magic Constitutional number, unless The One can convince us that there really are 57 states). And, one bill – on the list to be introduced in the House – will nail the coffin shut on Obamacare. That one is to allow interstate sale of health and medical insurance; once everyone everywhere has access to an unfettered market whatever the O does will be largely irrelevant.
February 6th, 2011 at 8:17 am
Well, you’re not ALL morons, just a few, starting with my first respondent.
February 6th, 2011 at 8:35 am
There you go again. Such an articulate comment. Your rapier wit easily matches your comma use.
February 6th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Uncle FTW. What we are seeing here is a troll that isnt being fed. A rare thing on the net, good on all of ya.
February 6th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
alise hyun is such a pretty name for a troll. Seems to be one found in the wild?
Personaly I am all for a lynch mob at 1600.
February 6th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Well, they might not win in court, but any individual they go after will still have to pay for a lawyer, and probably court costs, too (which are almost never waived).
I’d call that punishment, even if it’s not as severe as the oligarchs would like.
Of course, they could go after the states, in which case all the citizens of those states still pay for it.
February 6th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Also, I’m a different Jake from the Jake in #23.
February 6th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
Paul B wrote:
Personaly I am all for a lynch mob at 1600.
By this comment, are you advocating the assassination of the President of the United States? I ask because the White House is located at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
February 7th, 2011 at 3:22 am
Hey Uncle, give the Comma Commie a break. He’s just using old-school English which actually had punctuation in the places that the English said it should have. You should give Alise a gold star (which he would likely color Red) for actually refusing to use the cursed leet-speak form of H’english that is in vogue today.
February 7th, 2011 at 8:14 am
Obama doesn’t need the Judicial branch to punish you for refusing to follow the Obamacare mandates. The IRS and Bureau of Prisons both work for the Executive. The Executive doesn’t need the court in order to do anything.
It is only a question of how far the rest of the executive branch, and the American people are willing to follow the president, and not just this president, but any president, that keeps this nation from anarchy.