Rifle advice
Bob want some. Remember, the military is limited to FMJ which is the cause of most of the reported 5.56 stopping power issues.
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July 5th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
Without passing into rainbow unicorn territory, I can say that the penetration and expansion data I’ve seen on the Cor-Bon DPX ammo in 5.56 have impressed me.
It ain’t gonna turn your gun into a .308, but it’ll punch through a car door and still expand nicely, to judge from the tests I’ve read about. I stick with the 62 gr version.
July 6th, 2010 at 12:48 am
“Remember, the military is limited to FMJ”. Nah. There’s a new kid in Army-town and we call it the M855A1 EPR. The Marines are using a new OTM/SOST round as well. Enjoy your site.
July 6th, 2010 at 12:55 am
And no, I don’t plan on having to punch through any car doors any time soon. But legit scenarios are imaginable; plus it’s nice to keep options open.
July 6th, 2010 at 9:31 am
M855 out of a 14.5 inch barrel sucks.
M855 or M193 out of a 20 inch barrel should be fine.
July 6th, 2010 at 10:39 am
I’ve never jumped on the short barrel bandwagon either. An M-16 / AR-15 with a 20″ barrel is still a carbine. Not like you are trying to maneuver with a Mauser or a Garand with a bayonet.
July 6th, 2010 at 6:08 pm
They should just go to soft points and repudiate Declaration III of the Hague Convention.
It’s not like it was ever actually a useful thing, or helpful, or our various enemies ever gave much of a damn about it any more than they did any other treaty (with the exception, oddly, of the Nazis).
(Yes, it’d be “terrible PR” – but the same people who’d report and believe it already do the same tricks with anything the US military does, so who gives a damn what they think?)
July 8th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
Sigivald,
Softpoints, hollowpoints, and other “non-Hague” ammo sucks for conventional military purposes.
Need the hard target penetration more. If you cannot GET to the target’s vitals, it doens’t matter how much damage you would do. And sometimes those vitals aren;t made of meat — like disabling vehicle.
Although you could make a case that the penetration on handguns is pretty lame already, so you wouldn’t actually lose any EFFECTIVE performance if they went non-Hague on pistol ammo and issued JHP.
July 8th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
16″ or 20″ barrelled rifle?
Civilian use?
M193 ball (preferred) or M855 ball (acceptable, if twist is 1:9″ or better, as they pretty much all are these days).
Since you won’t be using the gelded version (14.5″ M4 — it’s a bloody PDW, not a rifle!), and you aren’t trying shoot people at stupidly long ranges (500m), USGI vanilla ball is perfectly adequate.
At civilian defensive ranges, it goes all explodey fragmentation on meat.