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May 24th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Way to many rails. My GI M-14 is much prettier, and has a fore-end you can actually grip in a bare hand. That jaggedy-ass 4-rail fore-end mandates use of a separate under-gun grip.
John Moses Browning (pbuh) must be turning over in his grave.
Have any of the Tommy-Tactical fanboyz fired that short-barreled rifle at night? Just how big WAS that fireball?
May 24th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
Don’t you mean John Garand (pbuh)?
May 24th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
Well at least it doesn’t have that evil pistol grip, which means this rifle is perfectly safe
May 24th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
I think Linoge has one of those, he brought it to GBR-III – does it have a shoulder thing that goes up? 🙂
May 24th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
I really like the looks of that, myself. 308, I presume?
May 24th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
yes and weighs about 700 pounds.
May 24th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
“yes and weighs about 700 pounds.”
After handling the SCAR 17, I lost any interest in it. WAYYY too heavy!
May 24th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
Is that a 308 rifle in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?
May 24th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
If they could only get it to work right….
May 24th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Or, y’know, spending all of $5 for a rail cover. Or simply taking the ventral rails off (which is accomplished by pulling back on two sliders), if you do not want them at the time.
Does “at an indoor range with nearly all the lights off” meet your holier-than-thou requirements? If so, yes, and the phrase you are looking for is “impressively awesome”. Or “awesomely impressive”. Either way.
No, this is not a “patrol rifle”, no this is not a hunting rifle, no this is not a thousand-yard rifle, and no, it is nowhere near “light” (even with the lower rails off). But you know what it is? It is fun. And thanks to the lack of a flash suppressor and pistol grip, as noted by Pete, it is 100% Kalifornistan legal, despite having a removable magazine and being evil, rail-bedecked, black, and chambered in something even larger and more powerful (even with that 16″ barrel) than the Mother of All EBRs, so it is a beautiful “up yours” to the Kalifornistanian authoritarians.
… And, for that matter, firearm-elitists who want things their way or no way.
If you want to take a swing at it, Mad Man, just let me know – it has been since GBR since mine got any range time, mostly because feeding it is just stupid-expensive these days. Never once had a problem with mine, but I guess that could be the exception.
May 24th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
At our club multigun match yesterday, there was one of these being used by one of the lads.
No one wanted to RO the guy. The blast and noise is very unpleasant and gets very old very fast.
And on my stage, the one with the tiny knockdown targets, the two old farts with their WWII Garands absolutely cleaned this kid’s clock, as they did those of everyone else in the match except one AR shooter.
They’re all just tools.
May 24th, 2010 at 7:03 pm
Ugh. I hate the chopped up variants of the M-14. What a way to take a beautifully proportioned rifle and transform it into an ugly dwarf.
And what’s the point of chopping a .308 rifle barrel shorter than 20″ anyway? Might as well stick with 7.62 x 39 if the object is chopping barrel length down towards the legal minimum. I could certainly see merit in a 14.5″ barrel with a permanent muzzle brake to reach legal length in 7.62 x 39. But a chopped .308? Forget it.
May 25th, 2010 at 7:04 am
Brad – with the 16″ barrel versus a 22″ barrel, you lose between 25 and 200 fps, depending on rounds, weights, and loadings used. See http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/m1-garand/48419-m1-garand-vs-m14-m1a.html#post444612 vs. http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/SPstory28.php (an article originally written by Guns & Ammo). Even at 200fps less than ideal speeds, a more-or-less equivalently-massing 7.62×51 should have just under half-again the effective power of a 7.62×39 at the barrel, rather than the “just over half-again” it currently enjoys.
Your mileage may, of course, vary, and some of the powder does get to the end and escape (creating that quite impressive muzzle flash), but there is simply no comparison between those two rounds out of equivalent-length non-SBR barrels.
May 25th, 2010 at 10:17 pm
I imagine a .300 Win magnum would have a similar gain over a .308 in a stubby barrel. That doesn’t make it a good idea. What is the practical purpose of such an overbore setup? Combat? Hunting? It strikes me as a clumsy toy instead of a practical tool.
May 25th, 2010 at 10:26 pm
That is fine, but do some research before making claims that are relatively easily disproven.
May 26th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
You have “disproven” nothing I have said. Get off your high horse.
May 26th, 2010 at 6:27 pm
Get off your indignance at people creating a product that sells.
In point of fact, your claim that sticking with a 7.62×39 round over a 7.62×51 round out of a 16″ barrel is a better idea has been disproven. If you do not like it, I would suggest doing your homework before you make such claims in the future.
May 27th, 2010 at 4:25 am
The only things I claimed are that the shorty M-14 is ugly and impractical. You have hardly disproved either assertion. You are way too defensive about your silly toy. Nobody cares.
May 27th, 2010 at 7:26 am
Apparently you do, otherwise you would not keep scooting those cute little goalposts around :).