More ballots than voters
Well, the Democrats look to be successfully stealing a senate seat.
Via Glenn.
22 Responses to “More ballots than voters”
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January 5th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
No matter who won, you know the other side was gonna say the election was stolen. What a goat fuck.
January 5th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Over the holiday, I was discussing politics with my family.
An interesting conspiracy theory was floated: Could it be that the Democrats have been doing a lot of cheating over the past decade and that is why they were so furious over losing in 2000? We’ve seen that liberals are good at ‘projecting’ (that is, claiming an opponent is cheating when – in fact – they are cheating). Could it be that the Dems cheated so much in 2000 that they figured the _only_ way they could have lost is if the other side cheated more?
Could that be why they were so angry?
January 5th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
_Jon, yes.
I forget who it was but some Democrat “organizer” had a reputation of being able to win any election that was within 0.5% or something. He was sent in to do his work when they wanted to challenge an election and was very, very good at his job.
Just take a look at all the elections where there was a recount in the last ten or fifteen years. Who won the recounts? One should expect about a 50-50 split. I don’t think that is what you will find.
January 5th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Hands down, when an election is decided after Election Day, Democrats win by an overwhelming majority. It really makes me think that a runoff election isn’t such a bad idea. When Obama didn’t have coattails in Georgia and Louisiana, the GOP won. I mean the GOP knocked out Bill Jefferson – no one saw that coming.
January 5th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Wow, what is more sad is the people that legitimately voted for Franken. Those people make me want to vomit. Too bad the people in minnesota do not seem as smart as the floridians back in 2000.
January 5th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Looks like it’s his turn to drive the forklift!
(obligatory ‘Trading Places’ reference)
January 5th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
ha ha ha..of course, we should only consider ballots counted on election day if it favors the Republican. Hennepin County documented a missing envelope filled with ballots, but to the WSJ that means that there isn’t any proof that there were missing ballots.
January 5th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
err, we should only consider ballots equal to the number of registered voters.
January 5th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Manish needs to go back to MN and observe that in EVERY instance that new ballots were “found” or old totals rechecked the results ALWAYS favored Franken. Don’t even start babbling about republicans “stealing” elections. That’s so stupid that only a lefty or a lib would even say it.
January 5th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
manish makes me think of that Chinese “student” which Steve McQueen met at the boom in “The Sand Pebbles.” Yes, manish. a good sharp lick with an axe in yer solar plexus is just what you need.
(in my dreams)
OMG I hate commies.
After we take care of them, we’ll get the Republicans. (f’in yankees!)
January 5th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
N.B. I wrote “in my dreams” above, to say that I don’t really want to do violence to manish, nor do I want anyone else to do that. I was just, like, imagining….
January 5th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Sebastian-PGP, unfortunately Franken did steal it. When every single last “lost” or “misplaced” ballot is for a single candidate, something is wrong.
What this is doing is lowering the faith of the populace that the electoral system is working. I don’t actually feel the winners are actually the ones with the most votes any more. I mean, I could understand a recount that had a few dozen numbers change, but hundreds to thousands of “errors” indicates a system that isn’t working.
I work at a company with PETABYTES of data. Even .001% bad data is going to wreck our statistics, and we don’t hold the future of the American nation in our hands.
The more stolen elections (and sorry, but they are primarily Democrats) the less people like me are going to be willing to go along with the laws. I will work within the system insofar as the system works.
After that… I shudder to think.
January 5th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
isn’t Franken safe on guns so far though?
January 5th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Not really, anticitizenone. Check chapter 12 of “Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat, Idiot” the next time you’re by a library.
The man blames the NRA for gunshot victims, thinks Clinton’s gun control policies were instrumental in the 1990 reduction in violent crime, and a half-dozen other idiocies. This… wonderful coincidence is the last thing gun owners needed as a BHO administration started thinking about what right-wing hobby they wanted to castrate first.
January 5th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Minnesota US Senate Seat 2008: Democrat
Washington Governor 2004: Democrat
Florida POTUS 2000: Republican
Indiana’s 9th District 2004: Republican
Virginia’s 5th District 2008: Democrat
North Carolina’s 8th District 2006: Republican
Florida’s 13th District 2006: Republican
Alright, that’s all I can find right now. It’s not really lopsided for either side. Republicans can win recounts too.
January 5th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
I’d like to see some substantiation for the idea that one party or the other steals more elections. Not that I’m wild about Franken, but sorry guys, can’t get behind this. Not sure how your claims here are any different than guys on DU or DKos insisting the GOP steals more elections.
January 6th, 2009 at 12:18 am
I sure as hell can’t find it.
Every race I mentioned above went to recount. I found other races where they were very, very close, but discarded them for failure to enact a recount. Seems pretty even to me.
I could do a quick VPC-style study though.
Google hits on “republicans steal election” : 9
Google hits on “democrats steal election”: 15
There we have it. Democrats steal elections 5:3 over Republicans.
January 6th, 2009 at 12:49 am
Sebastian-PGP, unfortunately Franken did steal it. When every single last “lost” or “misplaced” ballot is for a single candidate, something is wrong.
Sorry, but your wrong. The misplaced ballots went both ways. Furthermore, every decision was made to include as many voters as possible.
January 6th, 2009 at 3:17 am
Everyone knows about Florida 2000, whether you agree or disagree.
Ohio 2004 (decided that election) had at least six precincts with more votes for Bush than total registered voters – not just more votes cast for Bush and Kerry together, more for Bush period. And the wack job Ohio state official running for RNC chairman certified it – no questions.
Maybe it’s karma, or what goes around comes around, or whatever.
Fuck Coleman.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Ohio 2004?!?!
WTF, I thought that the guy who got the most votes should win? I thought the Electoral College was bad?
Even if Kerry had won Ohio, Bush still would have gotten more votes in 2004.
I guess the rules of the game are variable depending on the desired outcome.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
one of the judges responds
a fisking of the editorial
and even powerline isn’t sympathetic to the WSJ.
January 8th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Manish:
Still tilting at facty windmills, I see…