22 Hi Cap
I often wondered why there wasn’t a 22LR plinker with a magazine capacity higher than 10 on the market. Turns out, there used to be and, frankly, they should start making it again. Via Kim, we learn that Magnum Research wants your opinion.
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May 1st, 2008 at 3:43 pm
I think that is actually an oversaturated market segment.
What we really need is a domestically produced replacement for the walther TPH. Basically a Keltec P3AT/P32 but blowback operated and chambered in 22LR with a threaded barrel. That would be a market winner. I said as much in my email to MR, but fat chance they’ll listen.
May 1st, 2008 at 3:46 pm
You could always get a Ruger Charger and put a 30 round magazine on it.
May 1st, 2008 at 4:01 pm
hi-cap .22LR pistol? you mean like these?
May 1st, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Sebastian,
Nah, I possess a ruger 10/22 and possession of one of those without pinky-swearing that they’ll never be in the same room could lead to a 4 o’clock knock on the door.
May 1st, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Hi cap .22?? But, but, but, “The Children(tm)!!!!”
May 1st, 2008 at 5:10 pm
You could always get an old Tec-22, then.
Takes the same mags as the 10/22, not as crappy as a Tec-9, accurate enough for minute-of-can.
May 1st, 2008 at 5:26 pm
If you’re so unsure about your product that you have to ask; don’t bother. Most of the respondents who say, “Hell yeah!” won’t buy it, and most of those who would buy it won’t respond to your poll.
If I’d polled the market about my AK mount design beforehand, most of what I’d gotten would go along the lines of, “If Kalashnikov didn’t do it, then it doesn’t need to be done, yap yap yap.” or, “A 100-dollar scope mount? Hell, I can get one for forty. Don’t bother.” etc., etc..
I’ve since sold about a million dollars worth of them.
If you’re sure you have a great product, make it and market it. Build it and they will come.
May 1st, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Lyle – whats your AK scope mount?
May 1st, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Hint – you own one!
May 1st, 2008 at 5:58 pm
countertop:
http://www.ultimak.com/BuyAK.htm
Now let me tell you a story. There was this huge, multi-million dollar Corporation back in the 1940s. They quickly built an uber successful musical instrument manufacturing business. At one point they thought it would be cool to invite a bunch of the top, famous players in and have them work together to design what was assumed would be the coolest brass instruments in the world. They called them the “Committee Models”
The Committee Models never really took off. “Too many cooks” and all.
Fast-forward a few decades. This repairman, Dave Monette, started building the ugliest boat anchor of a trumpet you could imagine. In his basement. No polishing, no lacquer, he barely bothered to wipe off the excess solder, and he wasn’t a great solderer so it was a mess. They weighed a ton, but these horns were very well made, and they incorporated some (at the time) very revolutionary ideas.
He marketed them with passion. He also charged about 10x what you’d pay for the then top-of-the-line trumpet– the beautiful, gleaming Bach “Stradivarius”. The pro players loved it, and it soon became the only trumpet to own if you could afford it.
Now, if you’d asked these same players ahead of time if this was a good idea, most of them would have snorted, “Hell no. You need to make a brass instrument thin and light, so it can vibrate. Plus this thing looks like a turd.” and other similar comments. Players, you see, aren’t physicists, craftsmen, or technicians.– they go with the common wisdom regarding design. Now you build something that’s going to actually work better, and you stick it in their hands, and they actually try it, it’s a totally different story. Bam!
All the great big, multi million dollar, trans-national manufacturers now incorporate various of Monette’s concepts into their high-end trumpets and trombones.
I can give you several other examples of the same phenomenon.
May 1st, 2008 at 6:10 pm
I just remembered: I don’t know who coined the phrase, but; “Consensus is the lack of leadership.”
That says it all.
May 1st, 2008 at 8:18 pm
I just remembered: I don’t know who coined the phrase, but; “Consensus is the lack of leadership.”
That says it all.=lyle
I would amend that to “lack of leadership and conviction of that you hold the proper position.”
At which point I would say “amen”.
May 1st, 2008 at 10:30 pm
I own one of these and they are a blast to shoot, and were cheap at the time (sub $175 in the mid 90s). It’s light, easy to clean (umm ruger ummm), not the best tack driver but it gets the job done. Its dispatched many a opossum trying to get in the hen house, and I don’t feel to bad if it gets knocked around a bit. After 10yrs the original magazines have worn (plastic), but new ones are available for a decent price. All that and looks ninja cool at the range ;).
Hope they bring ’em back, might get one for my kids if cheap enough.
May 1st, 2008 at 11:38 pm
I always wanted to get a Grendel Model P-30, but that’s .22 Mag.
Too bad the gun is now an orphan. 30 rounds of plinking goodness in one magazine.
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May 2nd, 2008 at 7:39 am
S/M – yeah the P-30 is fun. As I said on another blog, if you unload all 30 rounds at a goblin, even if you don’t hit ’em the muzzle blast alone will ensure that he is medium-well done. And 30 rounds of mixed FMJ and H/P in .22 mag – even from a 5′ barrel – will still pretty much Swiss-cheese anything. I wish Calico had done one of their helical-mag guns in .22 mag. 50 or 100rds of 9mm is a little heavy one handed.
The real holy grail from Grendel was the P-31, which was the P-30 made over into an Uzi-looking carbine.
May 2nd, 2008 at 8:07 am
Well, Grendel is now Kel-Tec. you could ask the guy to make one.
May 2nd, 2008 at 12:44 pm
My S&W 422 has a 12 round magazine. Which is interchangeable with the S&W 41…
May 2nd, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Maybe I’m nuts, but I could almost swear I’ve seen high-capacity banana mags holding more than 10 rounds in .22LR for rifles at least, at Academy Sports all over Texas….next to all the other aftermarket spare mags for Glock, Springfield, Ruger, et. al.
May 3rd, 2008 at 12:43 am
Grendel is not exactly Kel-Tec, in the sense that there’s no service, repairs or spare parts available for the P-30 from Kel-Tec.
But now that the AWB has sunset, I don’t see why Kel-Tec isn’t making a new and improved version.