CCW in Wisconsin
A deal has been reached in the bill to allow CCW in the state:
Police could check whether the owner of a car they stop is carrying a concealed weapon under a compromise that sponsors of a bill to let Wisconsin residents carry hidden weapons have reached with law enforcement groups.
Sponsors say the amendment eliminates police lobbying organizations’ major hang-ups with the Republican-authored bill. The bill’s authors and representatives of several law enforcement groups planned a press conference this morning to announce more details.
More:
Under the measure, whenever an officer runs the registration of a vehicle he stops, a screen would pop up alerting him if the owner has a permit to carry a concealed weapon, said Casey Perry, executive director of the Wisconsin Troopers Association.
Some states require CCW holders to notify police when stopped. A similar bill passed there in 2003 but Gov. Jim Doyle vetoed it. Looks like it’s coming, if you ask me.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:06 pm
In Texas, you have a duty to present your CHL to an officer whenever you present your DL and are carrying. I’ve never had a problem with it. When it first started, I heard a lot about officers treating it like a big deal, but the last couple of times I’ve been stopped, it went like this:
“Are you carrying your weapon today sir?”
“Yessir.”
“Where are you carrying?”
“In the center console and in my right front pocket.”
“Okay sir, I’ll be right back.”
And that was it. Wrote me the citation and I went on.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:07 pm
My brother-in-law, a police officer and CCW advocate in Wisconsin, seems to think that they won’t get it passed as long as Doyle is governor. I’m not so sure. A bill like this, with broad police support, could get enough legislative support to override a veto.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:00 pm
Forgot to mention that I don’t know whether it’s law in Tennessee, but that my CCW instructor recommended that you immediately inform an officer that you have a permit and are carrying if you get stopped when carrying. He also advised against using terms like “gun” and “packing.” Something dispassionate, like “I have a concealed permit, and I’m carrying.”
November 30th, 2005 at 4:37 pm
Yeah, it’s great that they have the police support because some geek can write a “pop-up” and they can put even more personal information in a government database that can be searched.
/sarcasm
It just sticks in my craw that they ignore the “…shall not be infringed.” part….
November 30th, 2005 at 5:22 pm
What recommendations are there for a CCW handgun? I always ask law enforcement professionals their choice and the answers and reasons are different and interesting. This would be a good topic if it has not already been covered a lot. Some people like the baby Glock .40 caliber. Others like a feather weight S&W 38. I have been looking at some Kel-Tec’s. I know there is not a correct answer but I always learn something asking about this. Then the question comes up how to carry it?
November 30th, 2005 at 5:26 pm
It’s not a law to tom but a good idea. The two times in ten years i’ve been pulled over with a gun, I tell them.
#9, It has been covered a lot here. I recommend anything in a 4X caliber and I recommend the glock. I use a clipdraw (search the site for the term) to carry my Glock 30. A lot of people, like Les, like the S&W 38s with pocket holsters. I plan on getting one of those eventually so I can tuck my shirt in when out. A lot of the answers to your questions can be found using the search function.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:39 pm
Oh and always carry in a holster that covers the trigger. in the case of the clip draw, i also have a Saf T Blok to act as a trigger cover.
November 30th, 2005 at 6:09 pm
“Forgot to mention that I don’t know whether it’s law in Tennessee, but that my CCW instructor recommended that you immediately inform an officer that you have a permit and are carrying if you get stopped when carrying.”
It is not law in TN according to Packing.org, but I would agree that it is a good idea. Officers are trained to react to threats, if they percive you as a threat you might get drawn down on (I doubt that is a nice feeling.) An exmaple of them perciving you as a threat is if they see you gun and you have not told them about it.
When i was stopped and had my CCW (in TN), i just handed to officer both my CCW and license. He said “You have two licenses?”, then he figured it out.
As to what i carry. I carry a springfield xd, 4in service modle, in an IWB holster. My present holster, sucks, but I am looking to upgrade during the next few months.
November 30th, 2005 at 6:52 pm
Sigh.
Gun owner registration isn’t a good thing, even connected with a CCW permit. I’m sure the groups involved will push for it to pass now, but it’d have been a little less evil without that CCW info appearing in the database.
As for telling a cop you’re carrying – where required by law as a condition of a CCW permit you’re stuck. Where it’s not a condition of a permit I’d advise against it, simply because the less info you give to the government the better. the “trigger happy cop who see a gun & draws” scenario is a legitimate concern, but the proper solution isn’t you leaving the 5th amendment at the CCW licensing agent, but changing cops attitudes about non-cops with guns. Any lawyer will tell you to never volunteer anything to a cop during a non consenual stop (or even during a consensual one). I don’t see how that wouldn’t apply to possession of a firearm.
& for the record I haven’t told a cop I was carrying in at least half a decade or so. If you’re carrying that’s something only you & your holster maker should know.
November 30th, 2005 at 8:04 pm
Any thoughts on this model compared to a S&W 38? Thinking about an ankle holster.
http://www.kel-tec.com/p3at_pistol.htm
November 30th, 2005 at 8:12 pm
Heard mixed reviews about the kel-tec. Heard they’re great to prone to jamming. Jamming is fixed, they say, by polishing the feed ramps. Been pondering getting myself.
I don’t recommend ankle holsters as they’re quite awkward.
December 1st, 2005 at 1:23 am
In TN, your driver license and your carry permit are the same number. If not, wait until you renew ….. So why volunteer – when they run your license, they will also know your permit. Even though that’s supposed to be 2 separate databases according to TN law.
December 1st, 2005 at 10:53 am
Anyone try this pocket holster yet?
http://gunnersalley.zoovy.com/product/FISTK5KYDEX
December 1st, 2005 at 2:35 pm
In case anyone missed my point (I don’t think Publicola did, but he did remind me to stress this) is that police attitudes HAVE changed here in Texas in the 10 years we’ve had concealed carry. The police on the street have learned the biggest lesson — anyone with a CHL is a Good Guy, not a Bad Guy. Bad Guys are repeat offenders, and CHL holders are, by requirement, not repeat offenders.