They really, really are not even remotely the same thing. Intent and context matter.
The pastor in FL is going to publicly burn qurans [on 9/11] as a “protest” and basically the entire point of the exercise is to enrage and offend people of a particular faith—there’s not anything positive that it could conceivably accomplish. It’s an act of hate. It also comes at a time where tensions are already high because of the ridiculous manufactured outrage over the so-called “Ground Zero Mosque.” It is a deliberate provocation.
The bibles were not burned as a symbolic gesture or a political statement or specifically to piss off Christians (it was done to protect Christians, it can be argued). Some unthinking busybodies thought it would be a great idea to send Pashtun translations of the bible to Afghanistan, so as not to undermine our mission there, they were discarded (a year ago, I think?) and it just so happens that military trash ends up being burnt, all of it.
That being said, I don’t understand why the bibles had to be discarded, and I’d certainly not have done that. Couldn’t they just have been returned to the sender?
Not even so—One is a dickheaded thing to do because they’re trying to be dickheads. That is simply not the case in the other situation.
If some Muslim, Jew or Hindu decided they were going to have a “Burn The Bible Day,” it would be absolutely dickheaded and I’d not want them to reconsider (despite the fact that I personally think all holy books are just a bunch of useless nonsense). Nothing positive can come out of that.
But that is not what happened here.
If you walk up to me and punch me dead in the face for no reason and break my nose, I’m going to be extremely pissed off and think you’re a dickhead. If you’re walking up to me, trip, and as your arms fly out to brace yourself, you accidentally punch me in the face and break my nose, I’m not going to think you’re a dickhead.
Same end result—you’ve struck me in the face and broken my nose—but the intent and context are hugely important in how I will interpret the situation, how angry or offended I will be, and how I will react.
I think most religions are bad by today’s standards of behavior—most of them tell us to act in ways that we’ve abandoned long ago. The fundamentalists in any religion are generally on stronger theological ground than the moderates.
But I think the main thing is that the US military should not ever be in possession of pallets of holy books of any sort in the first place. Then the issue of what they would do them becomes moot.
they’re the same thing only to the extent that they are dick-headed things to do.
I don’t see how the military seizing the bibles qualifies as “dick-headed”. Some group is attempting to subvert the chain of command and you think the military should just just ignore that?
Storing them costs, and what are you storing them for? Sending them back opens you up to having them resent to another unit, where they might escape. That is considered a risk here, and it’s best to deal with a risk when you have it contained.
Sending them back costs too. It’s bad enough this wasn’t caught before the US and taxpayers wasted money shipping them all the way to Afghanistan. Now we have to pay to ship them back too?
They could sell them and send the money to the people who donated the bibles. That would avoid the bad press from burning them as well as the bad press from people who are claiming that they’re there to convert everyone to Christianity; what kind of missionary sells his prospective converts the bible?
Stormy Dragon Says: Sending them back costs too. It’s bad enough this wasn’t caught before the US and taxpayers wasted money shipping them all the way to Afghanistan. Now we have to pay to ship them back too?
Maybe practicing “reading comprehension” would help.
From the linked story: “… The unsolicited Bibles sent by a church in the United States were confiscated about a year ago …”
And
“… The military says a soldier at Bagram received the Bibles and didn’t realize he wasn’t allowed to hand them out. In the Al Jazeera video, which shows the Bibles at the prayer service, an unnamed soldier says members of his church raised money for them.
The chaplain later corrected the soldier and confiscated the Bibles, Wright said.”
It would seem that instructing the soldier in question to send them back to where ever they came from would have been the low cost (to the taxpayer) method of handling this. It has the added benefit of not involving theft by the government of property belonging to private individuals.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,”/”…blah blah blah, unless it it is on foreign soil, or directed towards some foreigner whom we might just piss-off a tad bit more, seein as they already sorta-kinda just (as in almost a decade ago)bombed the snot outta us…”
Wanna do tha “dot gov Trijicon Squishy” any-one?
/just sayin…
September 9th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
Touche sir.
September 9th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
crickets…
September 9th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Does this mean the terrorists won?
September 9th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
I think it is wrong to burn any holy book. I am far more in favor of burning…….MUSLIMS:)
September 9th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
They really, really are not even remotely the same thing. Intent and context matter.
The pastor in FL is going to publicly burn qurans [on 9/11] as a “protest” and basically the entire point of the exercise is to enrage and offend people of a particular faith—there’s not anything positive that it could conceivably accomplish. It’s an act of hate. It also comes at a time where tensions are already high because of the ridiculous manufactured outrage over the so-called “Ground Zero Mosque.” It is a deliberate provocation.
The bibles were not burned as a symbolic gesture or a political statement or specifically to piss off Christians (it was done to protect Christians, it can be argued). Some unthinking busybodies thought it would be a great idea to send Pashtun translations of the bible to Afghanistan, so as not to undermine our mission there, they were discarded (a year ago, I think?) and it just so happens that military trash ends up being burnt, all of it.
That being said, I don’t understand why the bibles had to be discarded, and I’d certainly not have done that. Couldn’t they just have been returned to the sender?
September 9th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
they’re the same thing only to the extent that they are dick-headed things to do.
September 9th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
There was as much outrage over burning Bibles as there was outrage when the Left tried to burn down Sarah Palin’s church.
September 9th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Not even so—One is a dickheaded thing to do because they’re trying to be dickheads. That is simply not the case in the other situation.
If some Muslim, Jew or Hindu decided they were going to have a “Burn The Bible Day,” it would be absolutely dickheaded and I’d not want them to reconsider (despite the fact that I personally think all holy books are just a bunch of useless nonsense). Nothing positive can come out of that.
But that is not what happened here.
If you walk up to me and punch me dead in the face for no reason and break my nose, I’m going to be extremely pissed off and think you’re a dickhead. If you’re walking up to me, trip, and as your arms fly out to brace yourself, you accidentally punch me in the face and break my nose, I’m not going to think you’re a dickhead.
Same end result—you’ve struck me in the face and broken my nose—but the intent and context are hugely important in how I will interpret the situation, how angry or offended I will be, and how I will react.
September 9th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
We all know what would have happened if the military had disposed of some extra Korans.
Bad religions really do exist.
September 9th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
I think most religions are bad by today’s standards of behavior—most of them tell us to act in ways that we’ve abandoned long ago. The fundamentalists in any religion are generally on stronger theological ground than the moderates.
But I think the main thing is that the US military should not ever be in possession of pallets of holy books of any sort in the first place. Then the issue of what they would do them becomes moot.
September 9th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
Burning Bibles to keep US troops safe or something………… I blame Bush! 😀
September 9th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
Well, they were burned during Bush’s presidency 🙂
September 9th, 2010 at 5:22 pm
I don’t see how the military seizing the bibles qualifies as “dick-headed”. Some group is attempting to subvert the chain of command and you think the military should just just ignore that?
September 9th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
i think there are alternatives to burning them, you know, since we’re all PC and stuff.
September 9th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
What do you think should have been done with them?
September 9th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
send them back. store them.
September 9th, 2010 at 5:40 pm
Storing them costs, and what are you storing them for? Sending them back opens you up to having them resent to another unit, where they might escape. That is considered a risk here, and it’s best to deal with a risk when you have it contained.
September 9th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
Sending them back costs too. It’s bad enough this wasn’t caught before the US and taxpayers wasted money shipping them all the way to Afghanistan. Now we have to pay to ship them back too?
September 9th, 2010 at 8:09 pm
Hasn’t anyone considered how much harm burning them causes the environment!
Think of the carbon!
September 10th, 2010 at 12:18 am
They could sell them and send the money to the people who donated the bibles. That would avoid the bad press from burning them as well as the bad press from people who are claiming that they’re there to convert everyone to Christianity; what kind of missionary sells his prospective converts the bible?
September 10th, 2010 at 12:33 am
Just don’t tell the muslims about all the Christian smoke that wafted over the countryside.
But let’s be real here, if a muslim iman decided to burn something Christian to be provocative, they’d burn actual Christians not just the Bible.
September 10th, 2010 at 10:50 am
Stormy Dragon Says: Sending them back costs too. It’s bad enough this wasn’t caught before the US and taxpayers wasted money shipping them all the way to Afghanistan. Now we have to pay to ship them back too?
Maybe practicing “reading comprehension” would help.
From the linked story:
“… The unsolicited Bibles sent by a church in the United States were confiscated about a year ago …”
And
“… The military says a soldier at Bagram received the Bibles and didn’t realize he wasn’t allowed to hand them out. In the Al Jazeera video, which shows the Bibles at the prayer service, an unnamed soldier says members of his church raised money for them.
The chaplain later corrected the soldier and confiscated the Bibles, Wright said.”
It would seem that instructing the soldier in question to send them back to where ever they came from would have been the low cost (to the taxpayer) method of handling this. It has the added benefit of not involving theft by the government of property belonging to private individuals.
September 13th, 2010 at 12:46 am
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,”/”…blah blah blah, unless it it is on foreign soil, or directed towards some foreigner whom we might just piss-off a tad bit more, seein as they already sorta-kinda just (as in almost a decade ago)bombed the snot outta us…”
Wanna do tha “dot gov Trijicon Squishy” any-one?
/just sayin…