LASD gets M&Ps and negligent discharges go up
The police seem to like to blame their gear:
And a light mounted to the gun and activated by deputies squeezing a pressure switch on the handle has led to confusion in some incidents, with a significant number of deputies reporting that they unintentionally pulled the trigger of their weapon when they intended only to turn on the light.
Yeah, you shouldn’t be using your gun as a flashlight.
December 22nd, 2015 at 7:50 pm
Never was a fan of a handgun with mounted light. Laser yes, that is ok. I use a flashlight in my other hand. Just don’t like to have my handgun pointed where my flashlight beam is. Of course your safety is between your ears so it should be ok, but it still bothers me to the point where I don’t do it.
Not sure how anyone could confuse the trigger with the button to activate your light/laser. But it it’s that commonly done, they better take away their accessories.
December 22nd, 2015 at 9:42 pm
I have an M&P Pro 9mm that was my duty gun for several years. No negligent discharges. I now have an Inforce APL on it and use it as a “tactical” flashlight whenever my dog starts going crazy in the backyard, usually an animal but you never know, still no negligent discharges.
December 22nd, 2015 at 10:04 pm
Its a poor workman that blames the tools.
December 22nd, 2015 at 11:41 pm
Handle? Trigger? Strange, I thought they were separate things. Can’t they tell where the light switch ends and the trigger begins?
December 23rd, 2015 at 2:05 am
Aint it interesting how “the only ones” happen to be the only ones who have difficulty with stuff like a gun mounted light?
December 23rd, 2015 at 1:20 pm
I went and read through all that fluff and irrelevancy, and now I know nothing more than when I started. None of it makes sense. I should have known to avoid the subject when the term “handle” was used. What the fuck is a “handle”? Is that part of the gun or is it part of the still un-named flashlight?
And what is this “I’m not bashing cops” sort of apology that we always feel we have to toss into the discussion? PEOPLE; when you’re looking straight at a whole group of retards, with retardation purpose-built in to the institution, and you can’t say that it’s a whole group of retards, then what does that tell us about you?
December 23rd, 2015 at 1:46 pm
Had a Streamlight that I added that type of switch to on a Glock.
(I think the LASD was using Surefire lights so maybe their switchs need a firmer grasp to activate)
I took it off because the switch was too EASY to activate – firing grip on gun, unless it was *really* loose meant light was on.
I could envision a situation where I wanted a firing grip w/o the light on so I changed back to the regular rocker switch.
The sympathetic squeeze doesn’t do shit, neither does the startle/stumble squeeze WHEN YOUR TRIGGER FINGER IS INDEXED PROPERLY. It isn’t the lights fault, it’s the officers finger banging the trigger guard.
December 23rd, 2015 at 2:03 pm
It sounds like they are still not training Cooper’s Four Rules. I know there are quibbles over the exact wording and application of those rules, but rule three is pretty basic. There is an outside chance that I might see that Sheriff socially sometime. I might have to ask about their training regimen.
December 23rd, 2015 at 2:59 pm
If you read the original LA county report, you’ll find that up until 2002 they were explicitly not training for safety: they were training “on-target, on-trigger”.
Apparently deputies trained during that period can’t overcome that muscle memory, and the ones trained since then are just ignoring whatever minimal trigger discipline training they actually are receiving.
December 23rd, 2015 at 4:07 pm
I don’t understand why folks mount stuff like lights on a gun. My personal take is that it just increases weight and bulk for little to no gain.
If I need a light, I use my off-hand to hold it as I shoot pistols one-handed.
December 24th, 2015 at 6:37 pm
‘they unintentionally pulled the trigger of their weapon when they intended only to turn on the light.’
Yeah, lousy training and a finger on the trigger can do that.
But blame the gun. Because reasons.
December 28th, 2015 at 9:31 pm
Dolt training has to be dolt-proof. Who would have guessed?
December 28th, 2015 at 9:36 pm
Hire dolts, train dolts, expect dolts to be ninjas as a result of their training. Guess what happens.
December 28th, 2015 at 9:38 pm
This is my pressure switch,
This is my gun,
This is illumination,
This is for fun.