Cops shoot ‘aggressive’ dog
Caught on tape. The dog was wagging its tail and, generally, being passive. While restrained.
Wish I hadn’t watched that.
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October 5th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
Our heroes…
October 5th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
What a bunch of cowards. Cops shouldn’t be handling dogs if they can’t read their body language.
October 5th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
Um, I don’t think that was the problem Pyrotek85. They chased the dog around and then restrained it before shooting it. I think the “it was agressive” was just an excuse after the fact.
October 5th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
Sheesh. Based on the video, all I see is evil.
October 5th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
@NAME REDACTED
It lied down several times, and was wagging it’s tail just before he shot it, which is a submissive gesture. The cop was either ignorant of what that meant, or he just felt like shooting a dog. I think it was plainly unnecessary in my opinion.
October 5th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
I added those two “hero’s” in blue to the State Sponsored Criminal Count.
Given the fact that if anyone else had done that to an animal they’d be facing cruelty charges I feel it most certainly qualifies.
October 5th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Redacted, the dog was chained to a pickup truck. I don’t think they had to chase it much.
Personally I think we militarize our police so much they actually WANT to shoot something, and a dog is less paperwork.
No fatigues or jackboots on these cops (tho we’ve all seen them) but note the black uniforms.
October 5th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
What the hell. I wish I hadn’t watched that either. :/ Disgusting.
October 5th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
I truly felt awful for the dog. Poor dog.
This is a case where a dog pays for the stupidity of its owner.
Also, what’s with the old video and articles today, Uncle? (re: this video and the emergency response time article on Washington DC metro).
October 5th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
http://www.hannibal.net/features/x1600620381/LaGrange-dog-owner-vows-to-fight-for-law-changes
October 5th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
To clarify, I do think there are some animals (dogs or otherwise) that need to be shot as they are an immediate danger to people, but I don’t think this is the case here. I’m upset about the lack of good judgement shown here.
They had the dog on a snare, and it wasn’t struggling or trying to lunge at them. He pinned it to the ground and shot it while it tried to submit to him.
I know this wasn’t a person they essentially executed, but I’m finding it unnerving that they think they can make decisions like these.
October 5th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
The article Chris posted says the Officers considered it dangerous so they had to shoot it. What i don’t understand is the officers took the time to get special equipment to catch it, so what was the plan after they caught it? If the goal was to shoot it anyway, why bother catching it? If they planned to take it to the pound, wouldn’t they expect it to be frisky after they snared it? Seems some bad decisions were made by all involved.
October 5th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
Pure evil.
October 5th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
again, this is why i don’t even feel bad when cops get shot.
October 5th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
Yeah, real vicious dog there, you can tell by the barking, growling and baring of teeth. Why in hell do you need to capture a dog that’s chained to a truck? What, was he on the phone telling his supervisor the dog was laying down aggressively and he was in fear of his life? Then what, the supervisor said “shoot it, and make sure it’s on tape, I want to watch”? Examples like this asshole make it harder every day to retain my respect for police in general.
October 5th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
I live in LaGrange. And this incident happened some time ago.
The dog chased the little girl next door prior to this, but the mother of the girl did not say the dog was being aggressive, and did not call the cops to shoot it.
There was a animal carrier in the back of the police truck, but the police were able or willing to get in, after calling the police chief, orders came down to shoot the dog,and be done with it.
Prior to lassoing the dog it was not aggressive or stacking anyone, still the choice was made to shoot it. and what a piss poor job they did.
October 5th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
I grew up in rural NC. A dog gets one aggressive action, either chasing or nipping, and gets further training. If a second incident occurs, the dog gets put down, preferably by the owner.
I now live in suburban Texas. My 2 year old lab mix got loose once, and chased a neighbor indoors, and not in a friendly manner. I was as surprised as the neighbor, and offered immediately to take the dog to the pound for euthanasia. He declined, and I trained the dog harder, and have had no more problems.
Would you be as angry if the dog in the video had been shot by the neighbor, an hour after the chasing incident? Dogs are pets or working animals, not people. Don’t anthropomorphize them, don’t forget their place in the family structure, don’t forget they are dogs.
October 5th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
Mikee. I’ll note that neither of your examples (killed by the owner, euthanized by a vet) apply here.
And, yes I would not be as angry if a neighbor did it.
Because the neighbor would not be shielded if his or her actions were wrongful. Where here an agent of the state is very likely to get off.
And to use an anthropomorphizing example. For said neighbor, lethal force is legal in the *immediate* situation. You can’t be attacked by a person, escape, come back an hour later, and shoot them. That is murder.
You should see how that’s also wrong to do to a dog. (And no that’s not murder it’s still a crime).
Similarly, it’s also wrong for a policeman to shoot a man or dog under the same circumstances.
October 5th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
I tried to find the officer (Doug Howell, Hannibal, Mo) on White Pages, but you apparently cannot get his info without paying money.
Not that I would have posted it on Unc’s website.
October 5th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
There was a time when this would have been the last act these boys took part in.
October 5th, 2011 at 5:55 pm
As a former public defender and prosecutor in Missouri, I know that alot of rural police officers treat their sidearms, batons and tasers like toys. They are worse with the tasers and batons, admittedly, but they this sort of behavior is only unsual for being deliberately taped.
October 5th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
My dog is my child. Why not euthanize bullies in school? Take care of your dogs like you would a child and aggressive dogs wouldn’t be an issue. That said, these cops could not handle the amount of litigation they would face from me.
October 5th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
Look I’m not a sissy by any means but that brings a tear to my eye.I don’t understand why this idiot at that moment decided to use lethal force.The dog wasn’t even charging at him at that moment.I hope they atleast charge these guys.
October 5th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
For the life of me I can’t understand the degree of stupid required to bother to type the inevitable “it’s just a dog” post.
What the mikee types don’t realize it’s not just about the dog–it’s about seeing fellow humans act in a non-human fashion.
And it’s just dumb. That’s nice you shot a lot of dogs or put them to sleep back in the old days. Doesn’t make it right. They used to hang darkies from trees back then too.
October 5th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
Cannot comment because as an owner of Labs, I refuse to watch the video. I just cannot bring myself to view it. Especially after reading that some of you regret viewing it.
October 5th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
It’s a pretty good indication that our militarized polices forces really are just looking for reasons to shoot their sidearms.
October 5th, 2011 at 9:13 pm
Having been in law enforcement intel meetings and hearing how some of the cops in local agencies spoke of gun owners this is no different. “Why do civilians need guns? We have them and that should be enough”. Seems to me like “guns” and “dogs” interchange in this case. The have guns and aggressive dogs, but we should have them for ourselves.
Bottom line. This is pure evil. The willingness to torture and kill an animal that is non-threatening is also prolific in serial killers and sociopaths too. Odd isn’t it?
October 5th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
What is the background of this dog? In spite of the numerous “no knock, shoot dog” raids that I have seen publicized I can’t imagine the average American killing dogs for sport.
I am willing to give these guys the benefit of doubt in this incident.
I wonder how you guys can convict and judge them based solely on the video. Did the owner request this action? How many bites does this dog have? Was it injured? Sick? Had it chased livestock?
I have been asked to kill the neighbors dogs when they were suffering. What do you do when you have a dog that is dying from a auto strike? How about a pack of dogs dragging down your calves? Or one that bit your child? There is a time an a place to kill most anything. I don’t think this video gives us enough data to judge these cops.
October 5th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
CORRECTION: The sentance said, “The have guns and aggressive dogs, but we should have them for ourselves.”
AND SHOULD READ, “They have guns and aggressive dogs, but we shouldn’t have them for ourselves?”
October 5th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
@Jim
“I wonder how you guys can convict and judge them based solely on the video. Did the owner request this action? How many bites does this dog have? Was it injured? Sick? Had it chased livestock?”
The problem I have with this is I don’t think it’s their call to make, especially when they had it under control and it wasn’t an immediate threat to anyone. It’s not like they shot it in the midst of a rampage. They should have turned it over to animal control and let them and/or the owners make the determination.
Again, I know this is a dog, but it’s kinda like shooting a suspect after you’ve already apprehended him. Doesn’t matter what he did, they aren’t there to administer punishment. The situation just doesn’t sit well with me.
October 5th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Seriously, looked like a job for Animal Control to me…
the paramilitary ‘pin the suspect to the ground* and put a bullet to the head’ was probably just training for something more progressive.
*no wall being readily available
October 6th, 2011 at 12:21 am
Training fail, and apparently a police chief fail.
Poor treatment of dogs set off all sorts of alarms with most folks.
If the animal is not an immediate danger, you call animal control and have it removed to the pound by people who are trained to do this. Then a judge can decide what to do with the dog owner’s property.
If it ain’t rabid, and ain’t chasing people, then WTF are these clowns doing discharging a firearm in a city?
Dumbasses.
October 6th, 2011 at 1:01 am
Looked like a summary execution to me.
October 6th, 2011 at 1:03 am
Okay, so someone called the cops on a reckless untrained dog and it got shot? What’s the big deal? Sorry that I put the lives of our servicemen and women above some dumb pooch, but if the officers involved had to result with deadly force, exactly who am I crying for? The 5 year old whose face *didn’t* get gnawed off before this potential menace was deal with? Or the dumb canine whose redneck know-nothing abusers turned it into something mean enough for the cops to be called over it?
Of course you’ll argue it was too forceful, because it wasn’t your loved one’s life on the line. You’ll complain just as loudly when some other random guy’s dog chews through a toddler’s face, won’t you? HA!
October 6th, 2011 at 1:18 am
Jim (no.29)
Sadly, it is pretty common to shoot or torture domestic animals in the U.S. They are considered property, and animal protection laws are pretty toothless.
That being said, in Texas it is legal to defend your property using lethal force.
October 6th, 2011 at 1:19 am
Sorry, that should be Jim no.28
October 6th, 2011 at 1:49 am
—Sorry that I put the lives of our servicemen and women above some dumb pooch, but if the officers involved had to result with deadly force, exactly who am I crying for? The 5 year old whose face *didn’t* get gnawed off before this potential menace was deal with? Of course you’ll argue it was too forceful, because it wasn’t your loved one’s life on the line.—
whose “life was on the line” because of a scared dog tied to a truck? what did you see in this video that meant the cops “had to result with deadly force” (sic)?
you copsuckers will try to justify anything someone in a clown suit does, won’t you?
October 6th, 2011 at 2:06 am
“whose “life was on the line” because of a scared dog tied to a truck? what did you see in this video that meant the cops “had to result with deadly force” (sic)?”
Um, the guy who responded to the wild animal who very well could’ve been rabid? Sure, your post-hoc analysis could say otherwise but that’s meaningless to the guy on the scene who has to make a judgement call. Sorry to hear that you know better. I hope you’re around next time, LOL.
“you copsuckers will try to justify anything someone in a clown suit does, won’t you?”
Yep, just as I said, you’d do the same if it was ripping the throat out of your toddler, wouldn’t you? Jesus, I hope so. Please tell me you’re not that much of an obama-parent? Jeez, it’s not the dog’s fault, it’s the society that bred him that way! Blooo blooo blooo! Cry me a river, baby.
October 6th, 2011 at 2:33 am
“wild animal who very well could have been rabid?”.” you’d do the same if it was ripping the throat out of your toddler”
ok, clearly you and i have seen two very different videos. please send me a link to the video you watched and i will base my judgement on the undoubtedly aggressive, feral monster you saw stalking a child while running amuck, free and untethered.
in return, i will send you a link to a video of two bozos whom the state, in their unequaled wisdom, believe should be the “guy(s
) on the scene who decide if (for example) the guy with a concealed carry permit is ” potentially rabid” (or a “terrorist”) and must “result with deadly force(sic)”
“obama-parent”. a pejorative only a statist would find meaningful. i bet you support the nobel-peace-prize-winner-in-chief having a hit list of american citizens though, don’t you?
October 6th, 2011 at 7:27 am
“That being said, in Texas it is legal to defend your property using lethal force.”
Even against police… if they don’t have proper warrants.
Hence why the Branch Davidians were all acquitted in Texas.
October 6th, 2011 at 7:48 am
The dog was clearly calm and cool until they came at him with a large stick. You can clearly see the dog wants nothing to do with it and gets a little active once they loop him by the neck. That cop pip squeak cop was probably so high on himself and his power he had to seek medical attention for his erection that lasted longer than 4 hours.
October 6th, 2011 at 8:06 am
“servicemen and women”? They’re civilians, jackhole, not in the army. Pig civilians at that. You kill my dog like that, and woe be upon you, cause I WILL fuck you up.
October 6th, 2011 at 8:20 am
Mental illness of some sort….and notice how his partner goes right along with it, whether he agrees or not.
October 6th, 2011 at 9:39 am
Heated rhetoric asside (“chewed a toddler’s face” really?) the people defending these cops should realize what they’re saying:
“The Police should be able to use lethal force in non-life threatening situations.”
And:
“The Police should be able to destroy property without trial or conviction even if said property is contained and no longer a threat.”
And aren’t those just a lovely bits of power to give them? Should the police be able to sumarially execute a perp after handcuffing them? Should the police be able to smash up a car after the high speed chase?
It doesn’t matter what the dog did. The Police do not have the power to just up and destroy a person’s property without due process. And that inclueds the accused.
October 6th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Robert 43: I thought the partner(without the pole) looked like he was watching for witnesses more than anything. Accomplises are just as guilty as the the main suspect, he went along with it and did nothing to stop it, or even slow it down.
When everything collapses, these two, and everyone like them, get left outside the gates.
Anybody know how I can get a ticket to Grainne, and when the ship is leaving? I’m sick of Earth.
October 6th, 2011 at 9:58 am
@Jack
That’s exactly what I’m trying to get at. I wouldn’t fault them for shooting it if it was loose or about to attack someone, but it clearly wasn’t. Even if it viciously attacked someone prior to being captured, killing it wasn’t necessary since they had it under control at the time they shot it.
If there wasn’t video we’d probably have to give them the benefit of the doubt, but this clearly looks like a screw up at best.
October 6th, 2011 at 10:51 am
There is a guy in Pennsylvania going on trial for 1st degree murder because a police chief ordered a deputy to shoot his dog. He then shot the deputy in the face with a shotgun..
If a police dog is considered a police officer then a family dog is considered a family member… They cannot have it one way and not the other.
October 6th, 2011 at 11:01 am
Having it one way and not the other is the very core of the “Only Ones” mentality.
October 6th, 2011 at 11:08 am
For all you people who say they are just dogs….
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_566210.html
October 6th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
I’ve been in Animal Control for 16 years. It breaks your heart to see situations like this. For me, mainly because its a stupid waste. This is an old video. Some background info that may/may not affect how you view what happened on the vid:
The area is in a largely rural area of Mo. with limited resources. There is (or was at the time of the video) no Animal Control available – not even on a county level. The video you’re seeing is less than half the length of the total video shot by the dashcam. The police had numerous complaints of this dog chasing people, charging people, and growling at kids. The inhabitant of the trailer also owned three other pitbulls and a mastiff.
The officers in the video clearly have had little or no animal control training. Beyond a restraint pole, I doubt they have any resources for dealing with or housing animals like this. The fact that the dog is laying on the ground calmly can’t be taken as an indication of how it has acted previously, or how it will act subsequently should it be released.
You’ll notice the one cop talking on his cell phone for quite a while. I’m pretty sure he’s not chatting with his girlfriend. He’s receiving instructions from his superiors as to how to proceed in a situation that he’s obviously not equipped or supported to handle.
Its an awful situation, with a pitiful and sad ending for the dog. I don’t like that the officer shot it – not one little bit. There’s definitely a lot of blame to go around though – so I try not to dump it all on them. From the Owner of the dog to the County/township’s failure to prepare, I think most of the blame needs to be spread around.
If you want to see how this *should* have gone…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUS3JLKqNIM
Please, no comments about how big my shadow is… the camera adds ten pounds
October 7th, 2011 at 1:50 am
I’m sorry… did you just say “they were just following orders?”
Wow.
October 7th, 2011 at 6:22 am
#51 – No, I didn’t. What I did say was that a lot more went into the situation than just two cops shooting a dog. Nothing exists in a vaccuum. Everyone wants to hang the cops over this when they were just the last cog in a machinery of fail.
October 7th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
First DEA agents think they are doctors, and now beat cops think they are veterinarians.