Presbyterian Church USA gets its anti-gun on again
This time, teaming with Bryan Miller. They have a history of this. PCUSA is, likely, only loosely affiliated with your local church, just so you know.
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September 23rd, 2011 at 5:23 pm
All the mainline churches have the same history of lobbying on anti-gun issues (and liberal issues in general), just some more than others. That includes Methodists and Episcopalians as well. Those who know what their denomination’s Washington, DC lobbying bodies are doing already know this.
September 24th, 2011 at 6:47 am
Strip them of any tax exemptions. If they want to play on the political field with Caesar, they can render unto Caesar, or mind their own damned business. The religion industry should not receive tax exemptions so that they can play in the political arena. Of course, as long as they’re saying what the political left wants them to say, they’ll not only keep their religious exemptions, they‘ll guarantee them. We live in a corrupt society.
September 24th, 2011 at 9:01 am
I grew up attending a Methodist Church, but do not now. I think it was in their 2004 General Conference where the representatives voted to call for a government ban on ALL private firearms!! My dad still attends a Methodist Church, but doesn’t share many of its views. I asked him, “now how would that ban be enforced?” Before he could answer, I replied, “oh, by guns, of course!” He just smiled and shook his head.
These churches are taking the same approach that the German people took toward Hitler and the Nazis who disarmed them first…and then they look back and ask why didn’t the people stand up against and stop Hilter? Same with the Communists. Then they turn on you when you speak out later and they’ve got all the guns.
Oh, but that can’t happen here, they say…yeah right!
September 24th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
A five minute search on Southern Baptist position on gun control did not turn up anything official, but I did see a lot of articals about SB pastors who applied for gun permits.
Our church (a large independant, formerly SBC (Still TBC I think) in Knox County) pretty much stays silent on the issue, but the pastor has spoken warmly of permit holders attending service (and he privately estimates ~50 weapons per week).
So, as expected, churches follow normal demographics, and thus some are absolutely pro 2A, but…It is not a focus, being occupied with talking about Jesus and all.
September 24th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
>Strip them of any tax exemptions.
Strip them all of all tax exemptions. Seriously. It’s the only fair way to do it seeing as the IRS refuse to grant me a wavier on the just-as-legitimate church I founded yesterday. Not taxing the church isn’t in the Constitution. Equal protection under the law and no official state church is.
Back when the tobacco ninjas were part of the Treasury department along with the IRS, a common question was “Is you church BATF approved?”
September 24th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
>Strip them of any tax exemptions.
and also this one…>Strip them all of all tax exemptions.
Go ahead. It would not reduce my giving at all. It’s not my money anyway, it’s His (and not my problem).
Not only that, it would not slow God down one bit.
September 26th, 2011 at 9:28 am
Standard Mischief and Hidden Hills,
You’re right.
The tax exemption makes churches 501-3c government corporations and therefore regulated by the government. Most keep silent on certain issues so they can keep their income tax exemption. Churches should be at the forefront of freedom and not “entangled” with the Feds or States:
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ has made us free and do not become entangled again in the yoke of bondage. –Galatians 5:1
September 26th, 2011 at 9:58 am
Ron W.,
I like that.
Mt:22:17 says “give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God”. So, until Ceasar changes the tax code (maybe to Fair Tax or Flat Tax, hehe), churchase should give not more than the government absolutely requires…same as for you and me.
Obammer has already threatened to eliminate the itemized deductions for charitable giving, so more hoe and change may happen sooner than later. We probably need to be careful what we ask the government to do to the churches, because it *will* include new burdens placed on *all* of us citizens, church goer or not.
September 26th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
HiddenHills,
Thanks. I would go with the Fair Tax and abolish the IRS; not even a flat tax on personal income. Forcing us to declare our income and other personal information to the government violates the 4th and 5th Amendments. Taxation should be INDIRECT taxing like imposts, duties, tariffs and excises as specified in Article I, Section 8.