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Constitutional Carry Bill Introduced

In Tennessee, Stacey Campfield has introduced a bill. No co-sponsors yet, no similar house bill. The bill allows those who are not prohibited persons to carry firearms, permit or no. I do like the idea of the HCP being and endorsement on your drivers license. Carrying around an extra card is a minor annoyance when wallet space is at a premium.

21 Responses to “Constitutional Carry Bill Introduced”

  1. Gunmart Says:

    The best thing about that is it eliminates the “poll tax” place on a constitutional right

  2. Crawler Says:

    Id expect the loudest anti-constitutional carry rants and erroneous rhetoric will be coming from the nave sheeple and the leftists in Memphis.

    However, I travel too much so Id still have to pay the poll tax

  3. wizardpc Says:

    Yeah the rants by Hardaway on this (if it gets to the floor) are going to be OUTSTANDING.

  4. Jerry Says:

    They have the same number, so if a cop has your drivers license, he knows already.

  5. Sebastian Says:

    The problem I have with a license endorsement is that I don’t have a choice but to inform an officer I’m carrying in a traffic stop. But I can’t remember if you have to do that anyway in TN.

  6. Jake Says:

    I don’t know about other states, but I know for a fact that when they run your license in Virginia it comes up with all your other information. I think they also get told when they run your license plates, if the car is registered in your name.

  7. Dave D. Says:

    Sebastian, you don’t have to notify the officer in TN.

    If it should pass, I wonder what it will do to reciprocation? I doubt most states would honor it.

    Anyone know how it works in Alaska and Vermont?

  8. kwikrnu Says:

    There is no notification necesary in Tennessee, but if asked for the permit it must be shown, tca 39-17-1351(n)(1).

    Unfortunately this legislation doesn’t seem to address carry in parks by those who have no permit.

  9. kwikrnu Says:

    Who cares about reciprocity? Florida permits can be purchased for $117 for 7 years. Utah and Arizona permits for about $50. There are any number of permits a person can get if they want reciprocity.

  10. Liston Says:

    A definite step in the right direction.

  11. Kristopher Says:

    The problem I have with permits is that foreign border cops tend to get freaky when you travel abroad.

    That CCW is included in your police record. There was some talk of limiting distribution of that info abroad, but those assholes at INTERPOL simply did an end run by harvesting public records without bothering with NICS.

  12. Standard Mischief Says:

    >Who cares about reciprocity?

    People who live in “may issue” states that wish to carry in free America, and don’t want to pay for 40+ individual state permits.

  13. kwikrnu Says:

    Why would anyone pay for a Tennessee permit for reciprocity purposes? For one, you have to live in the state or work here, or maybe if a proposed bill passes own land. Then, you have to take a state certified class and pay $115 and wait 90 days for the issue.
    Arizona and Utah are 1/2 the price and much quicker. Florida is about the same cost, but the permit is good for 7 years. There are any number of states that offer non resident permit at a lower cot and issue quicker than Tennessee.

  14. Jay Says:

    Two things.

    1) Reciprocity goes out the window with the Gun Free Schools Act. The ATF has decreed that you can only carry a weapon within 1000 feet of a school if you hold a permit issued by the state that contains the school. Reciprocity agreements do not satisfy that requirement.

    2) I support allowing anybody who legally owns a gun to carry it concealed. However, I take issue with calling it “constitutional carry”. Times were different when the Constitution was written, and it seems pretty clear that the Framers thought poorly of those who hid their weapons. The Constitution lets you carry arms, but it’s mute on whether or not you can conceal them.

  15. kwikrnu Says:

    In Tennessee the courts and AG say that there is no constitutional right to carry arms, concealed or openly.

    I remember reading that BATFE letter that to carry in a school zone a permit/license must be held in the state where the carry in the school zone occured. However, if you carry a pre 1899 firearm, you could get way with it as pre 1899 firearms are non-firearms under federal law.

  16. **** Says:

    Any modernish firearms made before 1899?

  17. wizardpc Says:

    Unfortunately this legislation doesnt seem to address carry in parks by those who have no permit.

    Yes it does. Sections 6, 7 and 8 all refer to the parks statute.

  18. kwikrnu Says:

    I had only read the summary when I made that comment.

    The state needs to get rid of preemption and allowing cities to make their own laws concerning park carry.

    Replica 1858 army or 1851 navy pistols are available at numerous places through mail order. They are cheap and a FFL is not needed for the transfer. In some states they are legal to carry, but as it stands in Tennessee they are considered firearms so they are illegal to carry in most parts w/o a permit.

  19. Tai Says:

    “Carrying around an extra card is a minor annoyance when wallet space is at a premium.”

    SayUncle: Bragging about the size of his, er, billfold.

  20. liston Says:

    1858 cylinders in centerfire rounds are available at Midwayusa:

    http://www.midwayusa.com/Search/#cylinder%20conversion____-_1-2-4_8-16-32

    I would not take a guess as to their legality anywhere. I would guess it would be an uphill battle, were one arrested, eh?

  21. KaliforniaKiddo Says:

    Now if we can get passed in Kalifornia it would be a GODSEND Viva la revolution 🙂

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