Cat and dog and deer
Starts off cute. But cats and dogs unrestrained wondering the streets, coupled wild animals who aren’t too afraid of suburban life is a recipe for some bad stuff:
Trying to figure out what the cat was doing with the fawn and then with mom. Things were going well for the cat until it swatted mom.
June 18th, 2010 at 9:02 am
Don’t mess with an other mother’s child. My mother used to say that all the time.
June 18th, 2010 at 9:35 am
Let’s see how this breaks down from the point the deer sees the dog.
Deer: “Oh shit that’s a predator must defend”.
Dog: “Durp durp OMGWTFBBQHAX”
Cat: “Ha ha, stupid dog I’m way smarte-OHSHI RUN AWAY RUN AWAY”
Moral of the story. Someone should have shot that deer.
June 18th, 2010 at 9:49 am
@ Caleb – I have to disagree. Discharging a firearm in a residential area such as that shown in the video..bad idea. Someone should have cared enough for their pets to keep them either inside, in a fence, or on a run.
June 18th, 2010 at 9:56 am
Can you send this to PETA?
Nature is red in tooth and claw.
June 18th, 2010 at 10:13 am
Here is what I would do:
I would draw and start charging… yelling authoritativly and trying to be as menacing as possible and hopefully the deer would back off. If not, I would start kicking at the deer and see if that would make it back down.
I would not fire unless the deer started to attack me or squared up and started to get aggressive with me. Like as was stated earlier, I disagree with caleb and dont think you can justifiably discharge a firearm in that area in defense of a dog that will probably have to be put down anyway. Being able to tell the cop that you fired to defend your own life (or any other human life) is a vastly different and IMO much easier to justify.
June 18th, 2010 at 10:15 am
I meant before it got to the residential area. As in, “that’s one we missed during the season”.
I hate deer, I really do. It’s a professional thing.
June 18th, 2010 at 10:32 am
The dog was ok, but traumatized. Lucky…deer are really dangerous and stupid. Appears to be a border collie, they’re usually a little more deft in handling such creatures.
And apparently this happened right near a school…shooting probably would have been frowned upon. Whacking with a big stick or a baseball bat perhaps not.
June 18th, 2010 at 10:58 am
I guess this is where that term about cats and curiosity came from.
The people who who taking video rather than getting the pets out of the way are fucking retards. Mama deer knows a wolf when she sees one. I agree with the people who say shooting in a residential area near a school is a bad idea. But if it had been my dog that deer would be dead.
June 18th, 2010 at 10:59 am
Shame she didn’t try that with my APBT. Might’ve got herself a surprise–& we’d have venison.
June 18th, 2010 at 11:05 am
I came close to a self defense shooting of a deer just the other day. I walked out to the back pasture the other evening. I’d hoped the cat wouldn’t follow but I saw her headed off the deck. Looking back I never saw her come out of the bowl near the house to head my direction. I went on back but when I came back around the trees headed home, the cat was being chased up on the deck by a deer. I clapped, yelled and waved my arms as I kept approaching.
The deer stopped the attack near the deck then headed away from the house. But he didn’t run off, instead he engaged me, snorting and acting aggressive. This took a moment or two. The deer was 25-30 yds away. I pulled my .40 out of my pocket and mentally prepared myself to sidestep left to move any shots away from background hazards such as the house or my nearest neighbor. The deer finally chose to run off into the woods that adjoins my property. I don’t know what the 20-ft rule is for deer but I was afraid I was about to find out. Right now, I’m going if they charge from 25-30 yards, it’s self defense.
Funny thing, the next night I was just at the deck when I saw a deer back near the woods 40 yards away. It was acting a bit more aggressive than the standard prey response to seeing movement. We watched each other a bit then the deer suddenly turned to face me head on. A bit odd since prey see better off from dead ahead. Then I noticed the cat had caught up with me. Apparently, it was the same deer.
I don’t know what the cat did. She’s a scrapper all the more so for being an indoor cat for most of her life and having declawed front paws but now I have to go armed in my yard.
June 18th, 2010 at 11:30 am
Wow, Stupid Cat is Stupid. She just watched the doe kick the crap out of a dog, and still thinks she’s invulnerable.
Heh – changed her mind in a hurry, though.
June 18th, 2010 at 11:38 am
“I agree with the people who say shooting in a residential area near a school is a bad idea. But if it had been my dog that deer would be dead.”
This.
BTW – I thought cats were supposed to be smart.
June 18th, 2010 at 11:42 am
Nothing wrong here, dog out of kennel, off lease and not listening to and commands. Deer just being a deer. Cat doing same. To have shot the deer is to have taken the wrong side of stupid. When taking your pets outside, have them leased or if in your back yard, know whats out there first, its your duty not natures.
June 18th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
JKB:
If that deer keeps acting out of character and aggressive like that, you should probably contact your local wildlife management – it could have picked up rabies.
June 18th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
What is up with the fawn in this video? Does it have mono or narcolepsy? Seems it hasn’t found its legs yet which may be a reason why the doe was on edge the whole time. As an owner of a very dumb dog I would have to say that when wildlife enters my property I hustle her in. She doesn’t understand that all animals are not her friends willing to give her food.
June 18th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
HK_WSU: A fawn’s primary defense is to lie motionless and hope to be overlooked. Collapsing like that is probably perfectly common.
As to shooting to defend the dog – would pepper spray be the first resort?
June 18th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
Used to see deer all the time when I had a dog – none ever attacked my Bullmastiff.
June 18th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
We live in what’s basically a park. Designed by Olmsted — New York’s Central Park with houses. Next to a forest preserve. We have all kinds of critters from muskrats to coyotes, a mountain lion once. I’ve been almost knocked down by a deer in my own driveway and there’s a doe with fawn that’s taken residence in my daughter’s summer camp. These wild animals cannot be leashed, I suppose not cats either, but dogs can. And dogs will obey. I agree with the commenters who wrote that it was the people’s fault for not rescuing/protecting the dog.
June 18th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
The science is settled: We must ban hooves.
June 18th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
This would be funny if it weren’t real. All of the characters in the video acted just as they would in nature, even the people.
June 18th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Okay, I’ll shut up after this. Same video, but up the anti on the cat and dog in increasing increments. Say, bobcat and coyote, puma and wolf, etc. Go full predetor, Mt Lion and Griz. I think Mom was doing what moms do. The fawn appears pretty ‘hot from the oven’, so to speak.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
ungulates kill more people up here than grizz do.
Of course, our ungulates are a bit bigger, but same problem. Dog off leash, goes off and harasses moose, gets in over it’s head, runs off bringing the pissed off moose right back to owner.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
I’ll defer to those with day-to-day experience with deer, but this seems clear to me. Cat finds fawn and is curious, maybe friendly. Notice the cat’s ears are up, tail is relaxed, behavior is curious but not predatory. Momma deer is moving to protect fawn which, as John Hardin noted, drops to the ground instinctively a couple of times. Cat’s just curious and being friendly.
Cat just wants to hang out and be pals with fawn. Notice the fawn isn’t much larger than the cat. Momma wants to chase off cat, but is more protective than annoyed or kill-defensive. Again, look at the cat’s posture until the very end, when it drops down, lays its ears and tail back, and exposes its fangs, hissing.
Enter dog. Momma goes into full-on defend-the-baby mode against dog and chases it away. Likely because of experience with feral and semi-wild dogs. Also, it has two threats now — the cat and the dog. Re-enter cat and now Momma has no patience. You watch the last encounter with the cat, they almost touch noses, which is friendly/wary greeting for cats. But Momma’s touchy now and chases cat off.
I fully blame the dog’s owners for letting it run around without a leash. What was cute got escalated because of the dog.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
HK-WSU: I think the fawn was just born. In the close-up at around :17, the fawn looks like its still wet from birth.
Not only is this a good nature lesson, it shows a lot about our culture’s current experience with nature. Anyone who’s watched the old Disney nature films would recognize the deer’s defense of its young as normal.
June 18th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
My Dad always told me that a deer was a dangerous critter and to stay the heck away from them unless I planned on bringing home to butcher.
The video confirms his warning.
June 18th, 2010 at 4:09 pm
Had something similar happen to me a couple of springs ago. I live in a suburb, but a canal runs along the back edge of the property and a large wetland behind that, We have mucho critters. The Norwegian Elkhound was going nuts in the fenced in back yard and I went out of the walk out backdoor, the land slopes down from the road to the canal.
There was a truly enormous doe deer about 10 feet from the back door. When I came out, the dog went after the deer, after all it is what they are bred for. The deer kicked his ass around the yard for a minute. I yelled at the deer and it came up to me and stamped its front feet, which is a threatening gesture for a deer.
I had a HI Point.40 caliber carbine and wasn’t real worried, but the dog came up again for his second round of ass kicking. I got him in the house and the deer left, I later saw her with twin fawns.
June 18th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
Someone needs to inform the deer that violence is never the answer.
June 18th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
Dog = Coyote as for as the Mom deer felt.
I think the cat had mother instincts was not intending any harm, but after the dog got its due, the mom deer was in no mood for anything messing with her kid. If any of us had then walked up, I bet she would have attacked.
June 18th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
Cranbrook is in British Columbia. Anyone want to hazard a guess as to how many people in the suburbs of Canada have a gun around to use on a deer?
June 19th, 2010 at 2:04 am
Cats > Dogs
I fell sorry for the poor dog thu…
June 19th, 2010 at 6:21 am
Just saying, from here it looks like a the dog was listining to commands, it had its back turned. And the only way a Deer would get the drop on most Border Collies (what that looks like to me) like that is when they are distracted, with their back turned to the threat.
June 19th, 2010 at 6:27 am
NVM- he appears to be running
June 19th, 2010 at 11:22 am
Having been kicked by a deer when I was nine years old, I can report honestly that they are tough fighters.
To all 9 year old boys and girls out there – when a tame park deer comes up to the picnic table and you start feeding it bread, don’t try grabbing it around the neck for a hug. One kick from one hoof was all it took to convince me of that.
June 19th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
Video just shows people are stupid. Leash laws exist for a reason, people.
June 19th, 2010 at 10:23 pm
Will somebody please explain, in lucid rational English text, what y’all are talking about here? I am on dial-up, being poor, and have Flash disabled, being sensible.
Idiot kids these days, can’t describe something in words, have to show a video instead.
June 20th, 2010 at 4:49 am
@Justthisguy
Deer with fawn beats up a dog and chases off a cat.