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On gun laws that are dumb

I knew Glock made a .380 and that it wasn’t available in the US. I never really knew why. Now, I do. It seems the ATF has a point system that determines if a pistol can be imported. A pistol must score 75 points. Here’s the point system:

Characteristic

Points

Length: for each 1/4" over 6"

1

Forged steel frame

15

Forged HTS alloy frame

20

Unloaded weight w/mag (per oz.)

1

.22 short and .25 auto

0

.22 LR and 7.65mm to .380 auto

3

9mm parabellum and over

10

Locked breech mechanism

5

Loaded chamber indicator

5

Grip safety

3

Magazine safety

5

Firing pin block or lock

10

External hammer

2

Double action

10

Drift adjustable target sight

5

Click adjustable target sight

10

Target grips

5

Target trigger

2

That seems rather, uhm, totally random. The site also notes:

Changes and features made to Glocks to comply with the BATF rules:
- all models are imported with a cheap click-adjustable rear sight that is replaced at the factory with the stock sight
- target (grooved) trigger added to compacts & subcompacts
- target grips added to all models (required for the subcompacts)
- due to their caliber, .380 autos (G25 & G28) do not score enough points to be imported

8 Responses to “On gun laws that are dumb”

  1. Standard Mischief Says:

    A 12 inch barrel would net you an extra 24 points under this system. You could have the barrel cut by the end user. Of course, that would be a loophole that would only encourage extra regs from the ninja tobacco-inspectors.

  2. Alcibiades Says:

    I thought this restriction might count as a free trade violation. After all, guns that don’t meet these requirements can be made and sold in the U.S.. Since foreign manufacturers must meet a different standard, it would seem like protectionism.

    Hell, the WTO punished the U.S. for making internet gambling illegal. The federal government was just trying to make sure that gambling was a States’ Rights issue (each State decides if gambling is legal or illegal), but the WTO didn’t really seem to care.

    I wonder if anyone’s tried to challenge it at the WTO?

  3. Wesley Womack Says:

    Does anyone know what law gives them the ability/authority to decide ridiculous things like this? I don’t understand how our government got to the point that they believe they should regulate the type of sight I have on my firearm.

  4. SayUncle Says:

    Sporting purpose language of the 1968 GCA.

  5. Tam Says:

    Even if they would make import points, Glock likely wouldn’t import them, as the 25 and 28 would just cannibalize sales from the already-profitable 19 and 26.

    These chubby sloppily-converted .380′s are mainly intended for markets where “military calibers” like 9×19 are a no-go.

    Would it amuse you further to know that:

    1) Every small Glock comes into this country with a set of flimsy adjustable sights (which are then knocked off) to make import points?

    2) The little thumb-divots and serrated trigger faces on mini Glocks count as “Target Grips” and “Target Triggers” and were put there to curry import points from the BATF?

    3) All small-frame Taurus snubnoses come into the country with long barrels, which are then unscrewed and replaced with short barrels?

  6. Tam Says:

    Edit: Whoops! Shoulda read below the table in your post. :o

  7. SayUncle » You’re kidding Says:

    [...] Yeah, street thugs are going to buy them for $5,000. And they’re not really powerful enough to be much of a threat. I’m pretty sure importing these items may be illegal as they don’t meet the point system for handgun importation. That’s assuming these are classified as firearms. [...]

  8. Justin Buist»Blog Archive » The CZ 100 Says:

    [...] I was also reminded that there’s a CZ 110 out there which would fit my bill much better. Instead of a DAO pistols it’s DA/SA and more on par with what you’d expect from a CZ trigger. Unfortunately because it has an SA mode it doesn’t qualify under the asinine BATFE import regulations. [...]

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