Traditional Double Action Triggers
Todd has a defense. I don’t know that they need a defense but current wisdom seems to be “one trigger pull is better than two”.
When TN first issued carry permits, I carried Sigs. I carried them for years. The only reason I switched to striker-fired was because my wife couldn’t manage the first DA shot out of the Sigs very well. But then I discovered that I actually started to prefer the striker-fired guns to the Sigs. And that’s what I’ve carried since.
March 3rd, 2014 at 9:52 pm
I have a Sig 2340 that I love in single action mode.
I have a Sig 250SC that’s DAO and I don’t really like it.
With the 2340 I can just about drive nails, I’m not nearly as accurate with the 250SC
March 4th, 2014 at 1:59 am
Work as an instructor for awhile and you’ll see that most students will shoot better with a striker fired or single-action system than a DA/SA system.
As other people have said, you can shoot very well with a DA/SA system and it’s not *that* difficult to master. But, why add *any* difficulty that is not needed?
And this from a guy who carries a Sig 239. I make it a point to specifically include DA to SA work in my practice sessions. Not everyone will do that. (And, my next carry gun will almost definitely be striker fired).
March 4th, 2014 at 1:42 pm
In addition to explaining to me that DA/SA guns suck because of Crunch/click…the internet has told me that if I carry my hammer gun, the bad guy will defeat me by driving the web of his thumb between the hammer and pin when I pull the trigger.
I told the internet that if the bad guy did that, it would make him vulnerable to my off-hand tomahawk strike, but it wouldn’t listen.
March 4th, 2014 at 1:47 pm
I love my DA/SA Sig 239. That is what I learned on, and have never had any trouble with the first shot. In fact, that long hard pull gives me time (during target practice) to notice if I am pushing in anticipation and stop and correct myself before I even get a shot off. I will decock and go into DAO until I remedy the bad habit, then go into DAO.
And by the way, I am a small female with small hands, so don’t try to tell me women can’t handle DAO. Heck, the class I took had an woman that had to be pushing her late 80’s, had arthritis, and could still shoot the 239 – her trouble was racking the slide.
Interestingly, I shoot better in DA than in SA. I also was 2nd speed in an advanced class of 12 (mostly men) for a target scenario in which they required me to decock BETWEEN EACH SHOT (try learning to do that with your off hand when you are in a time trial – the other hand could not be used as simulation of injury). I was the only student who didn’t have striker fired gun, so was the only one that had to decock.
I do not shoot my Glock as well or as fast (not that I am a speedster by any semi-pro definition anyay). I don’t know if that is why I don’t like it as well, or I don’t like it as well, causing me to shoot worse.
However, just becasue I love DAO, doesn’t mean that it is for everyone. I just think that people should be given a straight opportunity to discover for themselves whether they like it or not and not have instructors interject their prejudices.
March 4th, 2014 at 3:53 pm
We don’t need the new term “TDA”. That’s the same as DA, which we’ve been using for a long time, as opposed to DAO. So we now have DA, DAO, and TDA. See the problem– So what does DA mean anymore?
Anyway; I’ve never understood the debate. If you have a DA and want to operate it as a SA, nothing is stopping you. Shut up. Load it, put it on safe, and holster it cocked and locked just like your trusty, rusty old 1911. You need never encounter a DA pull unless you want to. And for some reason this subject only comes up in a discussion of auto pistols. With revolvers, I don’t hear anyone complaining about all the double actions out there (and they have neither de-cockers nor safeties).
And I’ve never understood why SA v DA is this huge fucking issue when we’re talking pistols, but it never comes up with regard to long guns. The most popular sporting and defense rifle in America is SA, with no de-cock, and no one blinks or ever thinks to think about it. The hammer’s out of sight, so it’s out of mind, just like the Ruger Mark II/III which we also never discuss as being a SA with no de-cock.
SO REALLY this is nothing but a perception issue—If you can SEE the hammer AND it’s on an auto, we’ll argue about it, but if not, “derp”.
One of the coolest designs I’ve owned was the Beretta TomCat. It’s DA and has a de-cocker, but with its tip-up barrel you can load or unload it without cocking the hammer. The little 32 ACP scared me though, so I traded it away.
March 4th, 2014 at 5:17 pm
I loved my M-11 , then P-239. Never had a problem with either
But I shoot better with a Glock, so I carry a G19 or G26.
March 5th, 2014 at 10:53 am
Lyle,
It’s a new term about like a Pontiac Aztek is a new car. :p
The Beretta 3032 Tomcat does not have a decocker.