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Careful when you leave America

This keeps happening, travelers getting busted in NYC with guns. Man claiming to be a Navy SEAL arrested with a gun in NYC. Cops throw him in psych ward for claiming he’s a SEAL. Turns out, he really is.

34 Responses to “Careful when you leave America”

  1. John Smith. Says:

    DOH!!!

  2. Jeff Says:

    Well, I don’t really care for NYC gun laws, and I don’t really understand why they searched his car, but if you describd yourself as an elite commando with top secret clearance most people would think you were having a mental crisis. Hope it doesn’t mess up his security clearance.

  3. Nomen Nescio Says:

    wait, a SEAL who not only brings a gun into NYC illegally but gets caught doing it? a case of PTSD there, perhaps?

  4. Matthew Carberry Says:

    A tea party acitivist, a nice lady, a Marine and now a SEAL? For all that I believe you should know the laws of the place you are visiting could we get a better parade of arrestees to make NYC’s carry penalties look disproportionate and HR288 look needed?

    What’s next? They catch a nun who teaches at a school for blind orphans packing at Carnegie hall?

  5. The Comedian Says:

    There’s a joke in here somewhere about why Gov. Jesse Ventura never goes to NYC…

  6. Jim Says:

    He’s just upset ’cause Heidi Klum is divorcing him.

    Jim
    Sunk New Dawn
    Galveston, TX

  7. HL Says:

    A lot of people claim to be SEALS who aren’t in my experience. I used to work in a place where at least 5 people out of 200 claimed to be former SEALS. Now BellSouth wasn’t running any BlackOps to my knowledge, so I think it likely someone was fudging. None of them knew each other either, which I find odd.

  8. North and the Gun Blog Black List Says:

    A lot of people claim to be Irish who aren’t in my experience. I used to work in a place where at least 5 people out of 200 claimed to be Irish. None of them knew each other either, which I find odd.

    You’re from Ireland? Do you know Pat?

  9. Bubblehead Les Says:

    Uh, last I heard, even on leave, the Navy said you will have your I.D. with you 24/7, unless ordered to leave it behind for some “Black Op.” Navy Diver Robert Steatham (sic) was murdered by Palestinian Terrorists back in the ’80s when they hijacked a Commercial Flight his Salvage Unit was on, and they found his I.D. card.

    But even SEALs don’t get to carry weapons when they are on leave, unless they have a CCW, or they’re Hunting, or in a OC Legal Place, or some other place that has Good Gun Laws.

    There’s something wrong with the guy. Oh, and since I have a relative who has a slightly different marking on his I.D that I will not reveal, this guy just had to have it on him. But NYC still would have pushed the Sullivan Act on him.

    Bottom Line: It looks like the Anti-Gunners are fighting back, and they’re starting on the Local Level, even if the Laws they are using are Unconstitutional. Of course, Eric Holder and the DOJ will step in any day now and enforce Heller and McDonald, right? Any day now….

  10. Mike V. Says:

    Ahh New York, where real SEALs aren’t and Goody’s powder morphs into cocaine.

  11. Jake Says:

    FWIW, according to the linked article he was released to the Navy, and they are treating him for suspected PTSD. It sounds like there may actually be something wrong with him even though he really is a SEAL.

    Which still doesn’t make the gun charges right, though.

  12. Bram Says:

    I was just a regular old Marine, but it was distressing as hell to come home and have to go everywhere disarmed. Like a part of me was amputated.

  13. Gerry Says:

    After watching BUDs training on the boob tube and taking a rifle course from Trident Concepts it might be helpful to be a little crazy if your a SEAL.

  14. HL Says:

    @8,

    I do know Pat! What a drunk!

  15. NAME REDACTED Says:

    ‘I was just a regular old Marine, but it was distressing as hell to come home and have to go everywhere disarmed. Like a part of me was amputated.’
    Move to a state that lets you carry.

  16. Snowdog Says:

    makes me wonder at this point why the hell anyone would willingly go to New York. I think the only time I’ve ever been there was changing planes to fly to Greece with the in laws a few years back.

  17. SGB Says:

    Sad really. Obviously the man is struggling. Finding out the hard way that New york is anti-freedom must be enough of a shock without also being ill.

  18. Blake Says:

    He must have been carrying a Broomhandle Mauser in 9mm since it he had three clips with it.

  19. Stretch Says:

    Re “said they were with (fill in organization here)”
    I worked with an old Intel guy who said;
    “If everyone in Greenwich Village who said they fought with the Lincoln Brigade really had Franco would never have stood a chance.”

    Re matter at hand: If the Navy guy was in routine transit THROUGH New York City he is protected by the Firearm Owners’ Protection Act (FOPA) and Bloomburg’s minions are in for a major law suit. Unfortunately Bloomburg (and his ego) will be untouched.

  20. dustydog Says:

    @9: There is nothing wrong with this guy. There is something wrong with police reports that lie. Until we hear his side of the story, the version that police are releasing to the media is untrustworthy.

    I’ll bet $10 that he had his military ID, and was perfectly calm and rational, and that his weapons were being transported legally.

  21. Tully Says:

    Yet another reason I won’t go to NYC. My tourism and travel dollars will go to places that welcome them.

  22. Mike T Says:

    It’s time to mobilize the US Army and occupy Albany and NYC under US Constitution Article 4, Clause 1.

  23. comatus Says:

    Know how you could always tell an impostor? They all claimed to be Seal Team Six. And as we all knew, there was no Seal Team Six.

  24. Dustin Says:

    “wait, a SEAL who not only brings a gun into NYC illegally but gets caught doing it? a case of PTSD there, perhaps?”

    Well trolled, but he’s got every right, under our constitution, to carry guns. It is not illegal because laws against this are not really laws any more than laws against free speech or interracial marriage. They are simply irrational bigotry.

    If your reaction to this story isn’t outrage for this patriotic and selfless public servant (a rare true public servant, rather than the parasites who usually call themselves that), then you are the guy with the mental hang-ups.

  25. DADvocate Says:

    Funny how one of the most “liberal” places in America is in the hands of an egomaniacal billionaire dictator.

  26. AlphaEcho Says:

    Dustydog,

    Since he was traveling through NYC, unfortunately there was no way his weapons were being transported ‘legally’. Unless you have permission from the City, it’s a felony to have an unloaded weapon. Disassembled. Unloaded. Locked in a case. Locked in your trunk.

    Seriously, they’re that draconian there. There is no way to even pass through legally while transporting a sidearm.

  27. Dustin Says:

    “Since he was traveling through NYC, unfortunately there was no way his weapons were being transported ‘legally’. Unless you have permission from the City, it’s a felony to have an unloaded weapon. Disassembled. Unloaded. Locked in a case. Locked in your trunk.”

    Of course, that means the US Constitution’s bar on laws prohibiting the bearing of arms has been violated. It means the Supreme Court’s guarantee that bearing arms is a fundamental right is being violated.

    It means that the real illegal behavior is NYC’s.

    I realize I’m preaching to the choir.

    What annoys me is that these airports are becoming traps. People need to stop using NYC as a hub for anything, including business. Dallas is a much better hub.

  28. Sailorcurt Says:

    Since he was traveling through NYC, unfortunately there was no way his weapons were being transported ‘legally’.

    Um…incorrect.

    US Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 44, § 926A:

    Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.

    IF he was just transporting the firearm through the state and IF the firearm was unloaded and not readily accessible, he didn’t act illegally, the police officers who arrested him did.

    That is not to say that those conditions are necessarily met in this case, only to say that it is possible for one to be in New York with a firearm legally.

    ——-

    Uh, last I heard, even on leave, the Navy said you will have your I.D. with you 24/7, unless ordered to leave it behind for some “Black Op.”

    They didn’t say he didn’t have his military ID, they said he couldn’t prove he was a SEAL.

    AFAIK, SEALs don’t get special ID cards that identify them as such. They may put some sort of trident sticker on their IDs or something like that, but stickers can be put on by anyone and the ID itself should look just like anyone else’s.

    I would say it’s very likely he had his ID if the cops contacted the Navy to come and get him, they just didn’t believe he was a SEAL.

    ——-

    Until we hear his side of the story, the version that police are releasing to the media is untrustworthy.

    +1 on that one.

  29. Some Sock Puppet Says:

    I am so ashamed of this state.

  30. kingfisher Says:

    I saw an out raged talking head on one of the news channels say something about how the mayor should do something about this.

  31. dannytheman Says:

    I know Irish Pat also!!

    Patty O Furniture. We sit together a lot on weekend nights in the summer!!

  32. Mick Says:

    Funny that. I’m Irish-American and my name *is* Pat.

    Now the real question is, can you defend yourself with your fists in NY?

  33. Sardondi Says:

    This sounds so egregious I thought that even in such a leftist totalitarian state as NYC there had to be more to the story, and I see something about the SEAL “rambling incoherently”. Yes, that could easily be nothing more than cops CYA-ing in the damage-limitation stage they’re now in. But surely to God it takes more to be summarily tossed into Bedlam even in NYC than just running a red light, possessing a pistol and “falsely claiming to be a SEAL” (as the police mistakenly thought). So I hope that what looks like the the poor man’s PTSD is the thing that made the cops think, understandably, he needed a psych eval. So I’m not sure it’s quite so cut and dried. Otherwise NYC is no different than Soviet Russia, which routinely imprisoned dissidents in high-security mental wards…which of course could be the case.

    And assuming that is the case, the victim needs to seek damages. The defense of sovereign immunity probably rears its ugly head here, but if that can be overcome, we need to stop giving money as damages for judgments in cases against governmental bodies. Perhaps a nominal payment is permissible, but anything more is counterproductive.

    First, it only hurts the taxpayers, and doesn’t really touch the ones who caused the problem in the first place – the officers and the persons responsible for instituting policies that make it so simple to put a citizen in what amounts to a prison for the insane (including millionaire-Marxist mayors who push for those policies). Money judgments do nothing but enrich the legal class (of which I’m a member), and encourage the runaway litigiousness that is strangling this country to death. Money damages do nothing to change the behavior of the public employees since it doesn’t come out of their paycheck. And if we quit awarding so damn much taxpayer money to persons outraged by various governmental bodies, we’d see the deluge of suits disappear overnight: surprisingly, lawyers lose interest in “justice” and “fighting for the little guy” just as soon as there’s no possible windfall in it for the lawyer. Gosh, how could that be?

    If what we want to do is change the behavior of government servants when they act outrageously, they need to feel the sting of our disapproval. I don’t mean understandable errors of judgment, I mean egregious actions amounting to intentional deprivation of Constitutional rights, such as the officers tossing a citizen in a psych ward essentially because they can. That means they must feel it, meaning some kind of job action, from a formal reprimand to suspension without pay to being fired, including supervisors too. Of course that’s tremendously difficult with the way public employee unions have been permitted to operate, but the tide is turning, and people are ready to stop these unions and the taxpayers’ employees from having far more job protections and security than the taxpayers themselves.

  34. richard40 Says:

    The cops must have been complete idiots. If he was a navy seal, at the very least he would have his military id with his service number, since military members usually carry it at all times. So they would already know he was military. It would be easy enough to call military personell at the time of arrest to get his service apeciality, and verify he was really a navy seal.