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Another ATF gun used in a murder

Reports CBS news:

CBS News has confirmed that ATF Fast and Furious “walked” guns have been linked to the terrorist torture and murder of the brother of a Mexican state attorney general last fall.

Two AK-47 variant rifles were found at the scene of a shoot-out with the murder suspects. Sources say the weapons were part of the controversial ATF program in which agents allowed thousands of guns to fall into the hands of suspects trafficking for Mexico’s drug cartels.

19 Responses to “Another ATF gun used in a murder”

  1. John Says:

    If we were going to send guns into a foreign country, sounds like Libya would be a better bet right now.

  2. Robert Says:

    Another broken egg. When are we getting that omelet again?

  3. Ron W Says:

    When are the culprits going to be prosecuted and tried for “treason”…you know, “giving aid and comfort to enemies” as it is defined in Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution?? Or have we already decided to completely submit ourselves to a renegade government??

  4. TomcatTCH Says:

    act of war anyone?

  5. GregF Says:

    I’m sorry, but can someone explain to me why guns keep getting left behind at cartel murder scenes. Do they always just shoot someone and dump the gun? I never paid attention to that before. No wonder the Mexican gov’t has collected more than 300,000 weapons in recent years. I can’t believe I’m going to write this but it’s almost like someone made a deal with the drug gangs; hey, anytime you kill someone drop a couple of these at the scene. I just don’t get it.

  6. Ron W Says:


    It must all be accidential. You know it couldn’t have been planned that way ’cause that would be a conspiracy and nothin’ happens by conspiracy such nonsense only comes from “conspiracy theorists”– we’ve been repeatedly told, so it must be true.

  7. Bob H Says:

    Did y’all notice CBS News called it “Gunwalker”? That is a win right there.

  8. Scott Says:

    Dear Mexican .gov,

    Just as soon as you let us know who among our political class you would like to try for crimes against the folks of your country, we’ll have ’em packaged and ready for shipment to you.

    Your Neighbors to the North

  9. Shannon Love Says:

    Ron W,

    They can’t be tried for treason because the constitution is explicit that treason only covers those aiding an enemy who is the target of formal declaration of war. Since we have no declaration of war against the cartels, they are off the hook for a treason charge.

  10. southernsue Says:

    shannon, they can be tried for accessory to murder, think border police that got killed the other day. knowing and willingly letting drug killers have our guns, i’d say that would be a good case for a prosecutor.

    we’ll see.

  11. Just Diciendo Says:

    When will Mexico stop “walking” heroin and coke and meth and rapists and drunk drivers into the United States..?

    That secret Mexican government project is causing a lot of deaths up here.

  12. Andrew Says:


    My best guess is that since it is illegal to own these types of guns in mexico, they are treated as “drop” weapons. So when driving away, if they get stopped, no reason to suspect if they have no weapons.

    And since the ATF has been so generous in allowing these kinds of “drop” weapons to be walked across the border in large numbers, the drug cartels have a large supply and are willing to sacrifice the ones they use during their hit.

    But thats just me.

  13. SumDude Says:

    “Two AK-47 variant rifles were found at the scene of a shoot-out with the murder suspects.”

    Not dropped at the murder scene. Dropped by suspects due to their having assumed ambient temperature following shootout with authorities.

    Reading is fundamental.

  14. Henry Bowman Says:

    @#5 GregF:

    Not much detail in the report, of course, but one would think that the main reason a firearm got left at the scene was because the person wielding it was killed or, perhaps, wounded. After all, early in the War between the States, many Confederates obtained superior weapons by taking them from fallen Union soldiers.

  15. Marc Malone Says:

    CBS has the story. Someone is rediscovering their journalistic interest. This is too juicy a story to pass up. They will try to downplay and whitewash, but as the facts come out, and folks get interested, the demand for more details will be too great. They cannot contain this story. It will get away from them.

  16. Joel Says:

    They canít be tried for treason because the constitution is explicit…

    How come we’re the only ones not able to get creative in interpreting the constitution?

  17. Ron W Says:

    Shannon Love,

    Actually Article III, Section 3 says besides “givng aid and comfort to their enemies” “treason” is “levying war against them” (the States). It does not secify that a Constitutional Declaration of War by the Congress is a prerequisite for the crime of treason. Certainly by allowing the invasion of the States in direct violation of Article IV, Section 4 and arming those who do (kill Border Patrol agent) to be used as an (admitted) pretext to push further infringements of the 2nd Amendment, this constitutes the most despicable and treacherous form of treason.

  18. Ron W Says:

    ďA nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.Ē
    — Marcus Tullius Cicero quotes (Ancient Roman Lawyer, Writer, Scholar, Orator and Statesman, 106 BC-43 BC)

  19. MJM Says:

    I have the plot for my next novel: Jack is sent to Guatemala to check into Iranian-sold AK-47s and RPGs, shipped through Guatemala, then smuggled into Mexico to the cartels. His own embassy tries to thwart his reconnaissance. No, wait, would that be fiction, or non-fiction?