Good guy v. bad guy
The UT police said that allowing permit holders to carry on campus would slow down their response time and ability to determine who was a good guy and who was a bad guy.
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June 14th, 2011 at 9:39 am
That’s funny,I’ve been ‘totin<-(leagally, in a holster.) for a good while, but I don't seem to cause as much trouble as the average UT football player. Ok, I'll retract the average part.
June 14th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Unless they have a policy of not allowing their officers to carry while not in uniform, they need to STFU.
If officer safety is so important, better to not mistake them for bad guys when they are not in uniform.
June 14th, 2011 at 9:54 am
The good guys are the ones listening to police instructions and who can produce a carry permit and who are carrying in a holster. Pretty easy formula.
June 14th, 2011 at 9:55 am
It’s not difficult to check your targets: The person walking around shooting at the unarmed people is the bad guy.
Oh, wait… if trends these days in law enforcement are any indicator, there may eventually be a risk that they’d be shooting at themselves.
June 14th, 2011 at 10:16 am
This is so much BS. So, is their “response time” slowed OFF CAMPUS?
June 14th, 2011 at 10:31 am
Without cc – the good guys are the dead ones.
June 14th, 2011 at 11:10 am
What John said. I’m pretty sure that even a campus cop can discern that the guy intent on slaughtering the student body is probably the one to concern themselves with.
June 14th, 2011 at 11:36 am
Maybe they should ask LEO that don’t work on their campus how they do it. But maybe that wouldn’t get them an answer different from the troubles they are already having making the distinction.
June 14th, 2011 at 11:46 am
It’s not that hard — at least half the bad guys are wearing UT Police badges.
June 14th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Is it really that hard?
Bad guy=guy shooting at unarmed civilians
Good guy=guy shooting at armed guy, shooting at civilians.
I guess if both the bad guy, and good guy start shooting at each other it becomes more difficult. But It’s still not that hard to figure out. And isn’t this the same problem that undercover officers have? They could be mistaken for the bad guy too.
June 14th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
By UT I thought you meant Utah.
BTW, have the police had these alleged problems in Utah?
June 14th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
I guess that the 2+ hours between when they arrive on scene and actually move in to do something aint enough time to figure out who’s who. Maybe having to actually THINK before shooting interferes with the LEO desire to go in with guns blazing.
Am I the only one who’s tired of hearing this “officer safety” crap? It’s a dangerous job and they knew it when they took the job. I’m a retired Fireman and my job was every bit as dangerous as a LEO’s if not more so and we never sniviled about “Firefighter safety”. We knew it was dangerous when we hired on and learned to deal with it.
June 14th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
This is the same UT police dept. that recently had one of its members arrested on sundry political corruption charges. Their credibility on any issue, is, shall we say, compromised.
June 14th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
If you think someone is “normal” (not crazy) you just don’t know them well enough yet.
(old Jewish profit/ guy I know)
June 14th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
Good guy is happy cops show up. Bad guy shoots at cops. FRIC.
June 14th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
They’d just rather go in and count the bodies… less work…
June 14th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
They’ll say anything, and people listen because they have a badge and uniform on.
June 15th, 2011 at 1:09 am
What response time? If a bad guy starts shooting, the first student, teacher any other shoots bad guy in the head 5 or 6 times. The city of Knoxville sends a meat wagon and a detective to take a report. Response time nil.
June 15th, 2011 at 1:31 am
Good guy is the one waving at the police when they show up. Bad guy is the one lying on the ground in front of the good guy.
June 15th, 2011 at 6:11 am
Pretty sure police officers cannot get to the scene in under a minute…
June 15th, 2011 at 7:08 am
Having to go home to get your gun, so that you can defend yourself against someone who is actively shooting people, might “slow down your response time” enough to get you killed. Maybe?
June 15th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
After 7 years attending UT, I have to say that I’m not too concerned about the response time of UTPD being lengthened–they’d never get there in time anyway. UT may have a few competent officers, but I never met them. Instead, my experience was that they were either on power trips or, more often, too lazy to do much of anything, congregating on the parking garage by Andy Holt, far far away from their supervisors at the station.
By the time the station heard about a “bad guy”, alerted the officers on the garage roof across campus, they got into their cars, and they reached the scene, either the criminal would be long gone, or a “good guy” would have already dealt with the threat, and then had time to clear his handgun, place it on the ground, and start smoking a cigarette several feet away–which would probably be prudent to avoid getting shot for being too close to the gun.
June 15th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
When seconds count, UT police are only minutes away.
@ Huck,
It is badge worship and it is rampant in the South. Police worship is certainly a factor, and you are correct on average a fireman’s job is far more dangerous than that of a police officer, the #1 most dangerous job in the US being commercial fishing and police work falls in #13, right behind garbage man. Look on the bright side, if you are lucky enough to survive a shooting on campus, when their security shows up at least you can score some ludes to calm your nerves.