Magazine Disconnect “Safeties”
I’ve said before that, on a handgun, I don’t want one that has a magazine disconnect safety. I think California and Massachusetts require them on guns (police excepted, of course). Well, here’s one reason why:
The officer was struck with the bat as he walked out of his office and fell backward in a daze, Dyer said.
As the officer tried to draw his firearm, the weapon’s magazine clattered to the floor, Dyer said.
The student with the bat approached the officer again, the chief said, prompting the officer to reach for a second firearm attached to his ankle.
I want it to go bang when I pull the trigger, whether there’s a magazine in it or not.
April 18th, 2008 at 9:09 am
Not required for the police in Cali, but handguns without a mag safety are officially “unsafe”. The trial lawyers will deal with this one.
April 18th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Yeah, I agree. I finally took my new Sig Mosquito to the range yesterday. It’s the only gun in the Sig line to have a magazine disconnect (why?). It also has a normal safety, besides the Sig standard decocker and firing pin safety (why?). Anyway, I brought a bunch of different kinds of ammo just to try them out (surprise surprise, CCI Mini-Mag was the only ammo that was 100% reliable, although Winchester Super-X High Velocity generally worked fine on all rounds except the first one in the magazine). Anyway, several times in dealing with misfires, misfeeds, FTE’s etc. from the crappy ammo, I would drop the mag and pull the trigger again, only to be frustrated because the mag safety stopped me. Oh well, now I know to only buy CCI for the Mosquito and that I can never rely on a gun with a mag safety.
April 18th, 2008 at 9:23 am
It might be a good idea for police, but it really does not belong on a fighting gun.
April 18th, 2008 at 9:26 am
blobber, so they can sell them in CA and MA would be my guess.
April 18th, 2008 at 10:16 am
FWIW, my walther has one too and i hate it. but it’s just a plinking gun.
April 18th, 2008 at 10:50 am
Which is why I carry a j-frame…
April 18th, 2008 at 10:51 am
That’s why I prefer any 70 series 1911-
Cock and lock and hope you don’t blow off your right nut!
April 18th, 2008 at 11:13 am
Which is exactly why I removed the damned mag interlock from my Marlin Camp 45. Pretty straight forward to do; I suspect it would be on other guns also.
April 18th, 2008 at 11:15 am
MA laws suck, but they’re not *quite* as terrible as you assumed. MA requires either a magazine disconnect or a ‘loaded chamber indicator’. The most common way the LCI is done is a small hole or notch on the back of the chamber that makes the cartridge rim visible through the ejection port.
April 18th, 2008 at 11:50 am
When you pull the trigger, the gun must go bang. According to this simple rule, manual safeties render a firearm invalid for personal protection.
DA/SA with a manual decocker is the best compromise, as far as I’m concerned (Sig).
April 18th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
“and that I can never rely on a gun with a mag safety.”
That’s probably why Kalifornia and Massachusetts require mag safties, to make the weaps unreliable. You’re armed but still defenseless.
April 18th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
I live in the DPRK, and my S&W SW9VE (Sigma, 9mm) has “CAUTION: Capable of firing with magazine removed” etched on the slide.
This semi-automatic firearm, bought by me, a citizen, last year, is fully capable of being fired with a round in the chamber and magazine removed. To this day, I can walk into a local DPRK gunshop and buy a half-dozen semi-auto handguns whose only safety is to keep your finger off the trigger.
So, as far as this “California sucks” mentality, you REMFs can move to greener pastures. I’ll stay here and fight on the front lines for our 2nd Amendment rights, which we’re regaining day by day, no thanks to you.
Retreat is not an option. Surrender is not an option. There are two options for the 2nd Amendment: lose California, or keep California. I’ll fight, while some here throw insults over the wall.
April 18th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Cali has no such law? Really? I thought they had to approved and that was one of the requirements to be approved.
April 18th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Nah, no such law. BTW, Unc, I’m sorry for my harsh tone earlier. I love California, and I love my rights, and I’m bringing the fight to the enemy. It seems like we just get no help from the outside sometimes (present company excepted). Anyway, I’ll try not to get so steamed in the future.
April 18th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
well, you’ll benefit from Heller, I hope.
April 18th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
Only if you make a half-dozen trips and space them out right. Don’t try buying two or more within a month of each other unless you look good in pinstripes.