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Reasoned Discoursetm

Heh. I win. Even deleting my comments that thrash his point. But I’m the paranoid one!

Oh, and my ISP is charter.com. But, just like his government, it’s inconvenient so he shuts it down. The difference between citizens and subjects, I guess.

23 Responses to “Reasoned Discoursetm

  1. Alcibiades McZombie Says:

    So, what was the approximate text of your now-deleted comment?

  2. SayUncle Says:

    Roughly:

    That my numbers were from violent crime rates and his linked source was to property crime rates.

    And that his snit about no ban was lame because anyone who wasn’t retarded could tell I meant the recent ban/confiscation of weapons there.

  3. Nomen Nescio Says:

    what the hells does he even mean “hide your ISP”, anyway?

    i sometimes use TOR, for no real reason but to randomly fuck with the NSA i guess. some of my comments on that aussie’s blog have come through TOR. i guess i’ll expect them to be deleted any moment now.

  4. SayUncle Says:

    i don’t know. I’m not savvy enough to hide my ISP.

    He’s just an idiot who took his ball and went home. Bested by dumb, paranoid, redneck gun nuts.

  5. Kevin Says:

    Heh we all won on that morning that we woke up and first realized that we were living in America – He can’t dispute that fact so he takes the French way out and retires from the field of contest to lick his wounds and taunt us again. It is easier to ridicule than to learn and understand.

    Explaining gun ownership to foreign subjects is like trying to explain the subtle difference between orange and green to a person born blind. You can discuss the different wavelengths of of electromagnetic spectrum, but they will never understand how a patch of international orange stands out against a sea of green leaves. They are much like the lesser prey animals in that sense….

  6. Nomen Nescio Says:

    Explaining gun ownership to foreign subjects is like trying to explain the subtle difference between orange and green to a person born blind.

    i don’t think it’s necessarily the “foreign” part of it. look at Kim du Toit, for instance. when he talks about people who were “born american, just in the wrong country” i know exactly what he’s on about — it doesn’t apply to me, really, but i get close enough that it doesn’t sound crazy to me either.

    it’s a mindset that happens to be much more common elsewhere because certain other cultures actively encourage it. i don’t think it’d be wise to encourage it here. there are many things the USA can learn from foreign parts, including from europe and australia; they have entire social institutions we could do to copy and improve on… but that notion that regular people can’t be trusted with the power to make life-and-death decisions, that isn’t one we should ever copy.

  7. Rustmeister Says:

    There was no way they were gonna “come around”, anyway.

    I guess the intro to “Peace Studies” include abandoning both common sense and critical thought.

  8. Timmeeee Says:

    The fool asked :

    “can you perhaps give a historical example where an armed citizenry has successfully resisted government oppression?”

    I had to remind him of 1776. LOL

  9. Kristopher Says:

    Or Afghanistan vs. the Soviet Union.

    You can only do so much with tanks and overwhelming force.

    It’s like that old joke about outrunning the grizzly bear … you don’t have to beat the overwhelmingly huge military, you only have to outlast its capacity to remain in the field and fight there.

    Eventually the Empire will run out of money, troops, or willpower.

  10. Firehand Says:

    It’s the same mindset that causes so many Brits to read about someone having two or three(legal) guns and about 200 rounds of ammo and have fits about the ‘arsenal’ and the ‘huge amount of ammo: what were they up to?’

  11. Standard Mischief Says:

    i don’t know. I’m not savvy enough to hide my ISP

    I ought to do something on that. Sorta like my “zero the google cookie” or “get rid of snap.com” posts, those types of posts are always popular. I used a proxy when posting on other blogs after the zumbo incident hit the WaPo, and a bunch of ignorant yahoos regurgitated the swill that was spoon feed to them by Pravda. You just never know when some moonbat or wingnut is going to take your comment personally, and try to get you fired or something. Incidentally, the email address I have been signing my posts with for years beforehand all of a sudden got all spammy after I left them attached to my comments. Some blogger obviously disliked my comments so much on zumbo that they decided to pop over to some shady website and paste my email in. That’s sorta why I haven’t bother to reactivate it. before that, I left that email over at some wacknut feminist blog for well over a year and a half of frequent commenting and never got spammed once.

    i don’t think it’s necessarily the “foreign” part of it. look at Kim du Toit, for instance. when he talks about people who were “born american, just in the wrong country” i know exactly what he’s on about — it doesn’t apply to me, really, but i get close enough that it doesn’t sound crazy to me either.

    I used to argue that the US was unique in the world in that rights were recognized as inalienable and that governmental powers were granted from and by the people with their consent. In that context no only would you have to repeal the second amendment, you would also have to pass another amendment specifically granting the goverment the powers needed to confiscate firearms. Of course that’s true in theory, but everyone would laugh at me if I stated that nowadays. It used to mostly be the war on (some) drug, the RICO act, and the ever popular endlessly stretchy “elastic clause”, but now we have the war on habeas corpus, eminent domain abuse, perpetual patriot act, warrentless wiretaps, know-your-customer anti-privacy banking laws, and limitless interstate commerce controls. Oh, I forgot about “wetland buffer zones”, I suppose wetlands are “navigable waterways” or some nonsence.

    Anyway, (sorry about that), his rights have always been at the generosity of his goverment, and he’s always known that they can be modified at any time. Inalienable rights are a concept that he just can’t wrap his head around, (not that he’s really trying). Someone ought to scrape his blog for a “minds are like parachutes, they work better when they are open” type of quote and use the comment against him. It’s not really going to sway him one way or another, but it’s still rather satisfying.

    The most important point I’d like to make is that we don’t argue to win him over to the pro-freedom side, but to sway the lurkers. We can do that, and that’s why we will win.

  12. Standard Mischief Says:

    “can you perhaps give a historical example where an armed citizenry has successfully resisted government oppression?”

    Our American Revolution is the perfect counterpoint, of course. Besides the whole damn thing starting over a few goverment troops trying to confiscate civilian firearms, it’s a perfect example of tactics. While it would have been nearly impossible to take on the total British military and win, George Washington knew that he didn’t have to win, he only had to hang on long enough to not lose, to convince the British that the cost of winning would be far too expensive for the value of the colonies at stake. This is the point I bring up when people say “but they have tanks and aircraft, there’s no way you will win”. I also like to bring up the point that those people that run those tanks and aircraft are our sons and daughters, who hopefully realize the concept of inalienable rights and limited goverment.

    As another example, there is always The Battle of Athens

  13. straightarrrow Says:

    or Cuba, though the wrong kind of government was established, same in Viet Nam or Israel, or Iran or a very temporary victory for Hungary against the Russians and but for lack of Diplomatic Recognition by other governments may well have been permanent.

    Yeah, it has been done in recent history. Doesn’t take a historian to know that. It does take a pale image of a man to refuse to acknowledge it.

  14. straightarrrow Says:

    Add China to the list, though what they got was as bad or worse than Chiang and the Kuo Ming Tang, they also did overthrew the government and its military.

  15. RAH Says:

    I did give the American Revolution as an example. My post was the last one there and he never responded. I stayed respectful and polite. Man of his posts I checked and not that bad. But he just can’t understand what it means to be free person with the duties and responsiblities that requires.
    He thinks he is free but he is just in a large cage and can not see the cage walls.

    However America is changing to a more restricted nation in many ways also.

  16. wolfwalker Says:

    Have you been back there today? It appears that the little twit deleted a whole bunch of comments — everything after its sneering ad hominem attack on you. Its latest post is a self-back-patting sneer at the “flying monkey gun nuts” combined with a proud announcement that it’s censoring all further comments on the “gun nuts” post. Way to demonstrate your open-mindedness, Bonzo…

  17. Ahab Says:

    I love the flying monkey gun nut graphic, it’s hilarious.

    I want a T-Shirt that says NRA Flying Monkey Army.

  18. Les Jones Says:

    The “hiding your ISP” could be anything, but I’ll take a stab at it. He might have taken the IP address attached to your comment and tried to do a reverse lookup on it and failed. Lots of outfits (ISPs included) don’t have reverse DNS on all of their IP addresses. That isn’t you hiding it – it’s the person in charge of that DNS server just not assigning reverse DNS lookups for whatever reason. Taking a domain like saysuncle.com and figuring out the IP address is what forward DNS does every time you visit a site on the Internet. Taking the IP address and looking up the hostname is reverse DNS.)

    Fer instance, take a gander at your Sitemeter details page. You’ll see some hostnames and some IP addresses. In every case where it lists an IP address rather than a hostname you’re looking at an IP address with no reverse DNS. One I noticed at the time I checked was 75.174.6.#.

    There’s no reverse DNS on that address, but you can plug it into IP Whois and find out who owns that block of network addresses. For that IP address the owner is Qwest.

  19. Brad Says:

    If anyone is interested, this is the content of the comment I made in response to that anti-American Aussie’s latest rant, since I doubt that anti-gun nut will have the guts to let it his own audience see it…

    Thank you Australia!

    Thank you for the priceless example you provided to the people in the United States. The hysterical over-reaction of Australia to the Port Arthur massacre, in essence scape-goating the entire Australian gun-owning public for a freak-crime committed by a madman, revealed the true agenda of the gun-control crusaders in the United States.

    For years anti-gun forces had used the examples of low murder rates in other English-speaking nations such as Australia as evidence for why the United States should adapt similar gun-control laws. But events in the 1990’s in Britain, Canada and above all Australia revealed the true prohibitionist mindset of the anti-gun crusaders in the United States when those same crusaders reacted with approval to the new crackdowns overseas.

    The gun-owning public in the United States on the other hand was appalled and galvanized by images of ordinary Australian citizens forced to surrender their guns, dumptrucks hauling away their property like garbage.

    So thank you Australia, for by your example you unveiled to us the true end-game of our own gun-prohibitionists, and the result is the gun-control movement is all but dead in America and the issue of gun-control is considered political poison here.

    heh

  20. tjbbpgob Says:

    Those rights everyone’s talking about are unalienable not inalienable, big difference.

  21. Standard Mischief Says:

    Those rights everyone’s talking about are unalienable not inalienable, big difference.

    Synonyms.

  22. Brad Says:

    Heh

    That Aussie clown’s asshattery isn’t just limited to guns. Check out this link to an earlier post of his…

    http://kenalovell.com/blog/2008/02/28/us-alliance-with-president-mccain-no-thanks/#comments

    …where he attacks John McCain. And get this amazing pearl of his wisdom!

    “al Qaeda is NOT the same as ‘al Qaeda in Iraq’ – in fact the latter is a convenient catch-all label invented by the yanks to describe just about anybody in Iraq who has resisted the occupation.”

    When I pointed out direct information contradicting his ignorance and I sarcasticly turned his lame insult of McCain directly back at him, the coward of course deleted the comment! Lame.

  23. emdfl Says:

    And don’t forget that for a while there the onlytime a muder in Great Britain was called a murde rwas if somebody was convicted of the killing.