A politically correct World, sort of
The World is safe now. Or is it?
Will Al Sharpton now turn his attention to the gangster rap music world?
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April 12th, 2007 at 7:08 pm
You’re kidding, right? You think Imus was fired because of “political correctness?” Shit, man, you should praise this firing. After all, once Imus called attention to himself in this manner, the market decided that he’s a dickhead. This is how Libertarian-land works, remember? No evil, overbearing government agency, no do-nothing, protect-people-from-themselves laws. Just people getting mad, and advertisers pulling sponsorships, and a corporation deciding that they liked ad revenue more than they liked a cranky, has-been shock jock. His firing was entirely free of government involvement. The market provided — his pink slip.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:11 pm
P.S. You’re right, Sharpton should go after rappers equally. But the fact that he doesn’t isn’t something that magically vindicates Imus or anyone else.
Stop the presses: Rap music is often racist and misogynistic! Who knew? But two wrongs, as they say, don’t make a right.
April 12th, 2007 at 7:25 pm
Sigh
Google is your friend, guys. Sharpton has been going after rappers ….
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0503/09/ltm.03.html
April 12th, 2007 at 7:57 pm
and innocent college kids.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Nailing one racist does not vindicate another just because he hates a different race.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:57 pm
Google is your friend, guys. Sharpton has been going after rappers
Kevin, that is so very weak. Is that all you could find?
Snoop Daaaawg says it is just fine and dandy for him to call a woman a “ho” because he is special. It is relevant to his history.
Is he special Kevin?
April 12th, 2007 at 9:48 pm
Will Sharpton & Jackson now go and apologize for the Duke Lacrosse boys? I think that they are just using this to take the heat off of them.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:57 pm
Gangsta rap is misogynistic? Clutch. Pearls. File this under no shit.
But it sells. You don’t want to impede the invisible hand! Adam Smith would immediately identify Snoop as the modern baker looking out for his self interest! Markets! Markets! Markets!
April 13th, 2007 at 12:57 am
I have a daughter. If he worked for me, I’d fire him. I don’t blame MSNBC or CBS for firing him. That I would also turn a water hose on Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson and take a baseball bat to Snoop Dawg if they set foot on my property is besides the point.
April 13th, 2007 at 1:05 am
SayUncle, do you remember when I asked why this site had no trolls? Hiya, Metulj. I take you as a sign that SayUncle is growing a bigger blogging “you know”.
April 13th, 2007 at 8:35 am
Feh. You have a troll: # 9. World. Renowned. You can rest assured that I don’t believe anything I say. The intarwebs don’t count! Wheeeeeeeeee!
April 13th, 2007 at 8:50 am
The problem with the Michelle Malkins of the world griping about black leaders not going after gangsta rap for the use of the word “nigga” is that it ignores the black community’s prerogative to take ownership of a word previously used against them. IOW…they’re co-opting a slur used against them and using it for empowerment.
That said…it is pretty misogynistic, but there’s no shortage of people pointing that out. Acting like the sexist elements of rap are being ignored is pretty silly. It’s not unlike all the carping in the conservosphere about how the good things our troops are doing are being ignored. Yeah, they are, except for every Fox news program, Instapundit, Malkin, Free Republic, Bill O’Reilly, every conservative blog on the planet, most other network television shows, YouTube, etc…you’d have to be fuckin dead to not realize that yeah, our troops are building schools and repairing sewers and handing out chocolate to kids.
I can’t see anything remotely trollish in Metulj’s post, nk. Or is simply disagreeing with you enough to be labeled a troll?
April 13th, 2007 at 9:54 am
The problem with the Michelle Malkins of the world griping about black leaders not going after gangsta rap for the use of the word “nigga” is that it ignores the black community’s prerogative to take ownership of a word previously used against them. IOW…they’re co-opting a slur used against them and using it for empowerment.
Sebastian, you have said “nigga” is empowerment for blacks.
Is “ho” also empowering?
April 13th, 2007 at 10:50 am
No, it isn’t.
Good thing I pointed out that A) rap music is pretty misogynistic and B) that’s a problem.
There are all sorts of black talking heads on tv today while I work; they’re pretty unanimous that the misogyny in rap music is reprehensible, and honestly they also don’t think much of the n word either. Most black leaders aren’t defending rap music and have been critical of it; the Malkins of the world are bitchin about a problem that doesn’t exist.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:04 pm
To the extent that I made judgments that ultimately proved to be incorrect, I apologize to the commenter that was wrongly accused.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:05 pm
the Malkins of the world are bitchin about a problem that doesn’t exist
What? There is a problem and it is a huge problem. Black America has done a lot to hurt Black America but the blame goes to the executives of the record companies who are all White? How does that work?
Help me out Sebastian, are Snoop, Dre, Ludacris, being forced by the evil record company executives to demean black women? Is it in their contract to use the word ho? Ho this ho that, before you know it you have a serious problem.
I don’t know how to feel about this. I don’t like the way women are portrayed in rap and hip hop. But there is a freedom of speech issue here. Should the rappers have their right to say what they feel taken away?
When you have a one way street you have a problem. I didn’t watch or listen to Imus. But how is this not a double standard? The pressure put on Imus was much greater than what Sharpton and Jackson have put on Viacom or CBS for making rap and hip hop.
Don’t forget who the market for rap and hip hop is. It is mostly suburban white teenagers.
Your empowerment theory doesn’t make much sense and it is just another canard. It is another guilt trip copout. I don’t get your defense of the political correctness here.
This was not to scale. Imus gets his show canned and Snoop is a hero because he says Bill O’Reilly can blow him? What would happen if the reverse had happened? Wouldn’t Sharpton and Jackson be after O’Reilly’s job?
There is a problem here. Thought police.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:13 pm
Phew, the point went flying over your head in a hurry. The non-problem I was speaking of was the suggestion that the black community is more or less oblivious to the negative aspects of rap culture. They’re not.
You seemed to think I was arguing that those negative aspects aren’t there. Of course they are.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:17 pm
Oh, almost forgot:
Of course it doesn’t make sense to somebody trying to play the “poor picked on Christian white males” routine. Duh.
To everyone else with a room temp or above IQ, co-opting your enemies’ strategy makes perfectly good sense.
That said, yeah, there’s plenty of folks in the black community who object to the use of the n word, and it is a controversial subject. The problem is that in your Malkin-addled world, you’re pretty oblivious to the fact that yeah, plenty of black folk don’t like what rap culture is about or is doing.
April 13th, 2007 at 1:19 pm
That said, yeah, there’s plenty of folks in the black community who object to the use of the n word, and it is a controversial subject. The problem is that in your Malkin-addled world, you’re pretty oblivious to the fact that yeah, plenty of black folk don’t like what rap culture is about or is doing.
The reality is that some people are unsure of abusing the first amendment rights of blacks but the same people have no problem abusing the first amendment rights of people who are not black.
Sharpton is getting a lot of cover from enablers that allow him to continue his race baiting scams. Neither Sharpton or Jackson are heroes. They are not going to do anything about rap. They don’t have the guts. But they will put on a good act and some people will cheer them. Right?
In some ways this is more about classism than racism.
The speech codes of campus Universities are just a prelude to the more general thoughts crimes which will soon arrive.
Liberal good, conservative bad. Class dismissed.
April 13th, 2007 at 1:30 pm
PGP, your bullshit isn’t anymore acceptable than was Imus’s. There is no way to justify that kind of racism or classism just because you think you have found a popular target that will not run you afoul of the politically correct haters.
I call bullshit!
Do you always do a PC check before you decide what you believe? Did you bring no beliefs of your own to the table?
“poor picked on Christian white males” I have seen you write this in several places now. As though somehow membership in that particular group precludes them from the same consideration and courtesy due everybody else. Each one of the members of that group as individuals deserves the same considerations as any members of any other group do as individuals. That is a concept that seems beyond you.
That we have not always lived up to our proclaimed aspirations as a society is our failure. A failure we are doomed to perpetuate if all we do is transfer wrongful disfavor from one group to another instead of eradicating it.
But you go right ahead and push for keeping the problem, just changing the target victims. But remember, popularity waxes and wanes, or in other words “what goes around comes around”. I should think as Americans who have posited the greatest tribute to individual liberty and respect for the individual the world has ever seen, that we would have had enough of the problem. I should think eradication of this problem would be our goal.
Your goal seems to be, “Let’s just pick a different group to abuse.”.
April 13th, 2007 at 1:46 pm
Crap. Utter, total, and obvious crap.
The 1A guarantees you a right to say things. It does not guarantee you a job or a paycheck for saying them. Nobody’s abusing Imus’s 1A rights. Duh. He can say it all day long. The problem is that there’s a market for Snoop Dogg and there’s not one for Imus degrading women and blacks in a similar manner. Get over it. The market has spoken.
Conservatives and uber libertarians love to talk a blue streak about the market…until the market nets a result they don’t like.
And we finally get to the agenda you’re chasing down. This is also baloney, as there’s nothing particularly liberal in gangsta raps degredation of women.
Nothing straightarrow said bears any semblance of a connection to reality or merits a response, and the entirety of his comment belies the need to get back on his meds. SA–rest assured I’m not the only blogger who rues the day you found our comments sections.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:11 pm
The problem is that there’s a market for Snoop Dogg and there’s not one for Imus degrading women and blacks in a similar manner. Get over it. The market has spoken.
As I wrote, the market for rap and hip hop is teenage white kids. That doesn’t bother you? You don’t find that a little weird?
You make it sound like if there is a market to degrade women that makes it okay. You don’t mean that do you?
April 13th, 2007 at 2:37 pm
Stacey Diamond over at KnoxViews gives her take on the Imus event.
I am glad to see a few liberal democrats stand up. We are drowning in political correctness.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:38 pm
Depends on what you mean by “bother” me. Does it bug me that teenagers have bad taste? Sure…but taste is relative. The punkrock hardcore rebellious music I listened to as a teenager 15-20 years ago was pretty offensive too. In any event, sure, the misogyny and negative message from hip hop bugs me.
But so what? Other people like it and spend their money on it. I favor the free market in this regard. Why don’t you?
Is it weird? No. Teenagers love to rebel, and listening to rap music is how they do it. They do it because they know middle aged conservative white men don’t like the fact that they do it.
When did I ever say its ok? I don’t think the message is ok, and as such, I don’t buy the music.
Does it bother me that the market for Imus’s comments is less than the market for Snoop Dogg? Not really. There’s clearly a difference between the two. Being upset about Snoop Dogg isn’t any better than being upset about Huckleberry Finn and Mark Twain’s use of the word.
Imus wasn’t engaging in any sort of artistic license. He was being a pig. The market sees the difference and responds appropriately.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:42 pm
…yawn…
Dude, get real.
Nobody really thinks what Imus said was acceptable. That’s not political correctness, it’s just reality.
If you think it sucks that Snoop Dogg gets away with something similar…don’t buy his albums. The only thing we’re drowning in is nonsensical handwringing about a simple, boring subject. Imus said something stupid that the market wouldn’t tolerate and he lost his gig.
No great loss to the world. Eventually Snoop Dogg and Young Jeezy will go away as well.
April 13th, 2007 at 2:44 pm
Imus wasn’t engaging in any sort of artistic license. He was being a pig. The market sees the difference and responds appropriately.
Unbelievable. Are you related to metulj?
So if a rap beat was in the background then what Imus said was okay?
You have to be kidding? Artistic license?
I swear if I didn’t know better I would bet both metulj and rikki are coaching you. That is the most literal and lame logic I have seen in this thread.
April 13th, 2007 at 3:57 pm
A.C. at Volunteer Voters brings new info to light.
It does beg the question about Bill Hobbs, is B-Ho incorrect?
April 13th, 2007 at 4:09 pm
Dude can you NOT FUCKING READ PLAIN FUCKING ENGLISH?
I’m NOT saying what rappers do is ok.
I’m simply saying that the market supports them and it doesn’t support Imus.
Considering how poorly you’re grasping things I’m stating explicitly, I really don’t think you’re in a position to be lecturing anyone about logic. Give it a rest.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:23 pm
I’m simply saying that the market supports them and it doesn’t support Imus.
Dude, the market supports billions of dollars of cocaine sales each year. At what point does personal responsibility come in? The people that make gangster rap are responsible for what they do. It is pimping the hood.
Your market argument is filled with flaws. You are using a literal defense which has no merit. I am not lecturing you about logic. It is clear you have no idea how logic and rational thought process operate.
You also don’t get the point. Rap is protected under the First Amendment. I don’t think that should change.
And BTW, what Imus did was artistic, he is a comedian. You can’t have one and reject the other unless you want the thought police. And that is where this is headed.
Imus was wrong. Sharpton was wrong. Making Sharpton a hero perpetuates the process.
You tacit approval is a step towards thought police. It cannot be a one way street.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:40 pm
Cocaine is illegal (though it probably shouldn’t be). Rapping about bitches and hoes, or calling a basketball team nappy headed hoes, isn’t. So what’s your point?
This is getting repetitive.
YOU: Gangsta rap is bad.
ME: Yeah, it is.
YOU: Dammit you love gangsta rap, you support it, you think it’s good!
ME: No, I don’t.
YOU: You worship Al Sharpton.
ME: No, I don’t.
YOU: You think gangsta rap is good!
ME: Is this thing on? {tap tap} Hello? Anybody home?
I’m not trying to belittle you, but your reading comp sucks goat ass. I’ve already stipulated repeatedly that rap music has plenty of negative things going on. If you can’t grasp that, there’s no helping you.
Dude, you can’t even fucking read. You can’t even get the basic concepts correct here on something that’s fairly straightforward. You suggesting I don’t understand logic (which is funny…I had to pass symbolic logic to get my degree in philosophy from W+M…it’s a pretty safe bet I grasp how logic works) is like Jessica Simpson suggesting that Enrico Fermi isn’t good at calculus. It’d be comical if it wasn’t so fuckin sad.
Then what the FUCK do you want? What are you griping about then? You don’t want it censored…so presumably you want the market to reign. Well…that’s exactly what’s happening here. Geezus…and you want to lecture me on logic.
Well, the market for his “art” isn’t very good. Thought police? Nice try, but I’m pretty clearly not the one objecting to content here. I don’t care for either medium, I think Imus is boring and think rap music is pretty lame for the most part…but good luck trying to demonstrate that I think either of them should be muzzled.
God, you really are out there today. Where the FUCK did I ever make Sharpton a hero? Good luck with that one.
Huh? By not suggesting that either Imus or rappers should be muzzled I’m the thought police? Whatever.
You need some of whatever straightarrow is taking.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:40 pm
Wow, is this still going on?
April 13th, 2007 at 4:49 pm
Yeah, I’d say it’s getting close to FUBAR. But if dude suggests one more time that I think rap is groovy and gets a pass, I’m going to pee myself laughing.
April 13th, 2007 at 7:31 pm
I’m not trying to belittle you, but your reading comp sucks goat ass.
Sebastian, I have played the literal rhetorical game with Senior players. So you passed logic and have a Philosophy degree. Not surprising. You are skilled in both misdirection and implication. It is what you imply that I question not the series of words.
You don’t want it censored…so presumably you want the market to reign.
No. Did I either write or imply that? That has been your little game for most of this thread.
A 101 Philosophy debate trick. Lame. So lame. You are trying to have your cake and eat it too. This market defense, which is all over the Internet in the past 24 hours is the same defense of Al Gore’s hypocrisy for living large and flying in private jets while he explains to everyone else, the little people, how they have to sacrifice to save the planet. Did Snoop pay for ho credits to make it right?
Let me help you, for the sake of logic. If one group of people can use a word, and another group of people cannot use that word, it is a precursor to the thought police. Take your guilt and deal with it. Your implication is that some groups of people of have more rights than other groups of people.
As SA wrote, that is bullshit.
You asked where you defended Sharpton:
Could you explain what you mean by prerogative? Are you alleging that one group of people has more rights than another group of people?
Run that through your symbolic logic filter, Dude.
April 13th, 2007 at 9:01 pm
What the hell am I misdirecting?
My position is simple: let the market decide. The alternative is to curtail the 1st Amendment, which doesn’t suit me very well.
Well, is there a third option? Not that I can tell. Either you want rappers and Imus censored or you don’t. The alternative is to let the market decide. Make up your mind already. I’m really getting bored of making you look stupid, loverboy.
How is that even close to analogous?
Once again, sweetcheeks: your choices are either censor the Imuses and Ludacrises of the world…or don’t, in which case the market decides. If you can think of an alternative, I’d love to hear about it. So far all you’ve done is gripe.
What that has to do with Al Gore is anybody’s guess. Not sure what you’re going for here, but I’m pretty sure Al’s position is NOT let the market decide when it comes to Global Warming. Heh.
Anybody can use any word they want. That’s the beauty of the 1A. The difference is that, like it or not, people–of all races–are going to react differently when your honkey ass says “nigga” than when a black person does. Such is life in the market of ideas. If it really bums you that you can’t get away with using the N word without rebuke and ridicule and maybe getting your teeth knocked out…ask yourself why you’d want to use it in the first place. My pasty ass doesn’t get to use it…and ya know what? My life is still complete somehow. Go figure.
The “thought police” would be me saying you can’t use the word. I’m not. I’m just saying you should quit bitchin about the fact that people will think you’re a dick if you do. You have all the right in the world under the 1A to say what you want. You don’t have a right to people thinking every word that comes out of your filthy sewer is fine and dandy. You don’t have a right to people not thinking you’re a dick.
No, it really isn’t. Having people not think you’re a prick isn’t a right, honeybuns.
Every post of yours consistently contains outright and blatant attempts to misrepresent and distort my positions, even after I’ve made them EXPLICITLY clear in technicolor. If you have to resort that sort of chicanery, it’s usually a pretty surefire sign that A) you’re full of shit and B) you’re a douchebag with a mouthful of asshair.
That’s funny, the word “Sharpton” doesn’t appear anywhere in that entire quote you pulled from my earlier post. Kinda hard to suggest I’m defending that dungmonkey if I’m not mentioning him.
Now, what I’m saying there is something that you’ll just have to get over, as mentioned above. I’m not affording black people anything that could be described as a right–I’m just saying that people are going to react to you differently than another black person when the N word is used. Get over it…that’s culture, not rights at work there.
Oh for the love of all that is holy in Jessica Biels underpants…NO! I’m not. You really should find something better to do.
April 13th, 2007 at 9:37 pm
Crikey.
Al Sharpton was just MSNBC. He said he need to start going after rap artists for sexism and use of the N word.
Heh.
You fuckin happy now? Even that slick haired jackass doesn’t think rappers should “get a pass”. He even used the market as the tool of choice, saying we should quit supporting artists like that.
Even Sharpton isn’t suggesting rappers get a pass. Get the fuck over it and move on with your life. The double standard you’re hearing about in the conservosphere just isn’t there.
April 13th, 2007 at 11:33 pm
“Nothing straightarrow said bears any semblance of a connection to reality or merits a response, and the entirety of his comment belies the need to get back on his meds.”= PGP
When you cannot refute the logic ridicule the man who uses it. Typical hypocrite SOP. No surprises here.
Oh and thank you for saying I don’t need meds, or is are you just using words you don’t understand? Which behavior would be in keeping with your past performance you say a lot of things of which you have no comprehension.
” SA–rest assured I’m not the only blogger who rues the day you found our comments sections.”- PGP
I suspect you are not. Liars, hypocrites and phonies such as yourself often find me irritating. It’s the same reaction they have to truth and principle and respect for others. I am very honored that you do not find me acceptable. I have never kept a friend or even an acquaintance if it was revealed to me that they were immoral or amoral. I would consider it a great insult if one of your stripe were to approve of me.
April 13th, 2007 at 11:41 pm
PGP, you are aware that you have confessed that consideration, courtesy and respect of individuals has no place in what passes for reality for you? You are aware that is what you said, are you not?
I think you need not say anymore. Trust me I am not the only American that rues the day he discovered you were a countrymen.
April 14th, 2007 at 4:01 pm
Dude, if you made anything that approached a logical argument or a statement that contained a premise and a conclusion…I’d get right to work on refuting it.
You just issued forth a bunch of nonsensical blather. There’s nothing to address.
Of course, if you could to anything I’m lying about, being hypocritical about, or being phony about…you’d almost be close to a coherent thought.
Up the dosage, sweetheart.
April 14th, 2007 at 5:44 pm
You have no viable response do you?
You label the eradication of ethnic hatred as illogical. You support the transference of that behavior to a more popularly acceptable group of the moment and imply my abhorrence of it indicates an irrational thought process.
You are one truly reprehensible creepy sonofabitch. And those are your good points.
Next, you must accuse me of ad hominem attack against you. Though you are the first to refuse to debate the issue further. Everybody here can read where you lost the argument and any claim to morality. It is exactly in that place where you quit supporting your position and started ridiculing those that don’t agree with you. Your self described erudition is a fantasy Dude. You are simply an arrogant and ignorant empty suit. Uh huh, that is a personal attack on your character, or actually, lack of it.
Since you won’t debate honestly and cannot think lucidly and insist on attacking your betters, you have left them no choice but to point out the deficiencies of the organism that produces such societal toxins. Dude.
April 15th, 2007 at 1:16 pm
This is not enough for a new post but it is interesting.
Terry Frank and William F. Buckley ask if the Imus fallout was a political hit-job from Hillary Clinton for revenge for the 1996 Radio and Television Correspondents’ Association dinner where Imus nailed then President Bill Clinton. Also a way to possibly hamper Barry Obama.
Hillary Clinton would never appear on Imus’ show but other Democrat Presidential hopefuls would.
Maybe? Who knows, less strange things have happened. The fact that Al Sharpton has little love for Barry Obama does make the theory interesting.
Oprah will have a Town Hall Monday at 4:00 PM to further discuss the issue.
April 15th, 2007 at 3:16 pm
Just read Sister Toldjah. Very interesting comparison between the Imus issue and the Duke rape case.
April 15th, 2007 at 9:48 pm
Damn, does Sister Toldja know that some here would find her position as follows?
“Nothing said bears any semblance of a connection to reality or merits a response,……….
She did a Hell of a job, didn’t she. She spared no guilty parties. As it should be. I suppose we have one or two here who will go comment on her site and explain to her the she is supposed translate one’s sin into another’s absolution. I don’t believe she will acquiesce to such foolishness. After all, she actually has courage and conviction based on principle. Unlike some examples we have seen on display here.
She missed a Hell of an opportunity to castigate “rich white Christian males”. I suppose she cannot hope to ever gain the bigot approval rating. Of course, as one who has been denied the BAR (bigot approval rating), I can truly say it is an honor to be overlooked for such a dubious distinction. It prevents one from being associated in the minds of good people with the bigots. “…..nothing bears any semblance of a connection to reality….” as inscribed on the plaque at the BAC (Bigots Award Ceremony), will never be hers. Welcome Sister.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:56 pm
*Returns late to the party, from out of town*
[#9] The reality is that some people are unsure of abusing the first amendment rights of blacks but the same people have no problem abusing the first amendment rights of people who are not black.
*Raises hand*
Uhh, whose first amendment rights were violated here? Have charges been filed against Imus, and I didn’t hear about it? If I went to my company’s lobby and started yelling “nigganigganigganigganigga,” this would get me fired in a heartbeat, and I can’t think of a soul who would seriously complain about this on first amendment grounds…
Then I see that SebastianPGP has already smacked you around mightily for that quip, so never mind…
April 16th, 2007 at 5:11 pm
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