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	<title>Comments on: OK, whose job was it to watch the republic while I was away?</title>
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		<title>By: Sigivald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sigivald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Sec. 213 of USA PATRIOT (the delayed notification for warrant execution) is a good idea, "terrorism" or not.

The provisions of PATRIOT related solely to terror are so-circumscribed in the text of the act; other parts (like Sec. &lt;a href="http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;204&lt;/a&gt;) are general and &lt;i&gt;perfectly reasonable&lt;/i&gt; cleanup; for instance Sec. 204 replaces "wire and oral" with "wire, oral, and electronic" in 18 USC 2511, dealing with surveillance.

So, no, can't really say I care. 

(Now, there's a reason Reynolds etc. called PATRIOT a granting of long-standing law-enforcement "wish-list" stuff, but it's not unreasonable stuff. Take Sec. 204, there; it just extends existing &lt;i&gt;perfectly reasonable&lt;/i&gt; surveillance power over &lt;i&gt;foreign communications&lt;/i&gt; to include electronic as well as "wire" communications. The only reason it wasn't there before, I imagine, is that email didn't even really &lt;i&gt;exist&lt;/i&gt; at the time the law was written.)

Then again, I've found very, very few complaints about PATRIOT actually justified by the reading of the text, over the years. Most people (of the leftist or loony-right variety) having PSH over it haven't even looked at it, and are just going by what Someone Said about it.

(Like that &lt;i&gt;insipid&lt;/i&gt; stupidity about "library records", which aren't even &lt;i&gt;mentioned&lt;/i&gt; in PATRIOT, and are only possibly related by interpretation of "business records", and which &lt;i&gt;weren't actually private before anyway&lt;/i&gt;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Sec. 213 of USA PATRIOT (the delayed notification for warrant execution) is a good idea, &#8220;terrorism&#8221; or not.</p>
<p>The provisions of PATRIOT related solely to terror are so-circumscribed in the text of the act; other parts (like Sec. <a href="http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html" rel="nofollow">204</a>) are general and <i>perfectly reasonable</i> cleanup; for instance Sec. 204 replaces &#8220;wire and oral&#8221; with &#8220;wire, oral, and electronic&#8221; in 18 USC 2511, dealing with surveillance.</p>
<p>So, no, can&#8217;t really say I care. </p>
<p>(Now, there&#8217;s a reason Reynolds etc. called PATRIOT a granting of long-standing law-enforcement &#8220;wish-list&#8221; stuff, but it&#8217;s not unreasonable stuff. Take Sec. 204, there; it just extends existing <i>perfectly reasonable</i> surveillance power over <i>foreign communications</i> to include electronic as well as &#8220;wire&#8221; communications. The only reason it wasn&#8217;t there before, I imagine, is that email didn&#8217;t even really <i>exist</i> at the time the law was written.)</p>
<p>Then again, I&#8217;ve found very, very few complaints about PATRIOT actually justified by the reading of the text, over the years. Most people (of the leftist or loony-right variety) having PSH over it haven&#8217;t even looked at it, and are just going by what Someone Said about it.</p>
<p>(Like that <i>insipid</i> stupidity about &#8220;library records&#8221;, which aren&#8217;t even <i>mentioned</i> in PATRIOT, and are only possibly related by interpretation of &#8220;business records&#8221;, and which <i>weren&#8217;t actually private before anyway</i>.)</p>
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		<title>By: Yu-ain Gonnano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yu-ain Gonnano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>probable not probably

PIMF</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>probable not probably</p>
<p>PIMF</p>
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		<title>By: Yu-ain Gonnano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yu-ain Gonnano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as someone at Tam's pointed out.

This kind of thing was being done &lt;em&gt;prior &lt;/em&gt;to the Patriot Act.

Additionally, there was probably cause, a warrant, and it was subject to judicial review.

So I'm thinking this likely would have happened with or without the PA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as someone at Tam&#8217;s pointed out.</p>
<p>This kind of thing was being done <em>prior </em>to the Patriot Act.</p>
<p>Additionally, there was probably cause, a warrant, and it was subject to judicial review.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m thinking this likely would have happened with or without the PA.</p>
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