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		<title>By: CDel</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/06/15/gay_camp/#comment-16263</link>
		<dc:creator>CDel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 22:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only reason it matters is because it completely destroys the basis for the hating of homoexuals and shows that the idea of ungayifying someone is just plain stupid.</description>
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		<title>By: SayUncle</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/06/15/gay_camp/#comment-16222</link>
		<dc:creator>SayUncle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Does it matter? "

I don't think so.

Chris, good read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Does it matter? &#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>Chris, good read.</p>
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		<title>By: CDel</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/06/15/gay_camp/#comment-16217</link>
		<dc:creator>CDel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, i forgot ot mention in my last post about the fact that homosexuality and bisexuality may be caused in some cases where the person has experienced severe psychological trauma. generally rotting from an extreme event in said person's life (rape or other violence) or when the person is very intensely desperate for love or sexual relations.  Generally, these causes are rather rare, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, i forgot ot mention in my last post about the fact that homosexuality and bisexuality may be caused in some cases where the person has experienced severe psychological trauma. generally rotting from an extreme event in said person&#8217;s life (rape or other violence) or when the person is very intensely desperate for love or sexual relations.  Generally, these causes are rather rare, though.</p>
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		<title>By: CDel</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/06/15/gay_camp/#comment-16216</link>
		<dc:creator>CDel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 07:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, im not gay, but i can say that, at least in males, homosexuality is very commonly caused where the person's mother was subjected some amount of stress, resulting in the release of a female stress hormone during pregnancy.  This hormone blocks the receptors in the child's brain where testosterone would normally be recieved.  Thus the child ends up with a male anatomy but is born with the base brain of a female. 

The answer to your question: It is not genetic &lt;i&gt;or&lt;/i&gt; choice, it is a medical condition however.

Another thing, i think those gay camps are absolutely ludicrous and offer nothing but emotional scarring for the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, im not gay, but i can say that, at least in males, homosexuality is very commonly caused where the person&#8217;s mother was subjected some amount of stress, resulting in the release of a female stress hormone during pregnancy.  This hormone blocks the receptors in the child&#8217;s brain where testosterone would normally be recieved.  Thus the child ends up with a male anatomy but is born with the base brain of a female. </p>
<p>The answer to your question: It is not genetic <i>or</i> choice, it is a medical condition however.</p>
<p>Another thing, i think those gay camps are absolutely ludicrous and offer nothing but emotional scarring for the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/06/15/gay_camp/#comment-16215</link>
		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 04:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From my understanding, as much restriction as a person can tolerate the better. You'll live longer, and you won't be less happy, as happiness, when your life is summed up, is a relative thing. By this model, being gay obviously won't prevent you from being happy, just as being hetro won't ensure your happiness. How 'bout that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my understanding, as much restriction as a person can tolerate the better. You&#8217;ll live longer, and you won&#8217;t be less happy, as happiness, when your life is summed up, is a relative thing. By this model, being gay obviously won&#8217;t prevent you from being happy, just as being hetro won&#8217;t ensure your happiness. How &#8217;bout that?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Wage</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/06/15/gay_camp/#comment-16212</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Wage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 01:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
 (note to my gay readers: this week, is being a gay a lifestyle choice or biological? I always forget)
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I actually &lt;a href="http://chris.quietlife.net/2005/06/03/genes-and-sexuality/"&gt;ranted&lt;/a&gt; a little about this last week.</description>
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 (note to my gay readers: this week, is being a gay a lifestyle choice or biological? I always forget)
</p></blockquote>
<p>I actually <a href="http://chris.quietlife.net/2005/06/03/genes-and-sexuality/">ranted</a> a little about this last week.</p>
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		<title>By: Stormy Dragon</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/06/15/gay_camp/#comment-16210</link>
		<dc:creator>Stormy Dragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;this week, is being a gay a lifestyle choice or biological? I
&gt;always forget

Does it matter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>this week, is being a gay a lifestyle choice or biological? I<br />
>always forget</p>
<p>Does it matter?</p>
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		<title>By: tgirsch</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/06/15/gay_camp/#comment-16200</link>
		<dc:creator>tgirsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Xrlq:&lt;/b&gt;

I actually think that brings the count of things we've agreed upon up to four or five now... the world is a scary place.&lt;blockquote&gt;Bingo. It’s either “curable” or it isn’t.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I said "or treated."  Plenty of incurable diseases (say, hemophilia) are still treatable.  My point was it would still be viewed by anti-gay folks as "a bad thing," and they would still try to do away with it.  Only their method and rhetoric would change, their goal would remain the same.

&lt;b&gt;Brutal Hugger:&lt;/b&gt;

Great comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Xrlq:</b></p>
<p>I actually think that brings the count of things we&#8217;ve agreed upon up to four or five now&#8230; the world is a scary place.<br />
<blockquote>Bingo. It’s either “curable” or it isn’t.</p></blockquote>
<p>I said &#8220;or treated.&#8221;  Plenty of incurable diseases (say, hemophilia) are still treatable.  My point was it would still be viewed by anti-gay folks as &#8220;a bad thing,&#8221; and they would still try to do away with it.  Only their method and rhetoric would change, their goal would remain the same.</p>
<p><b>Brutal Hugger:</b></p>
<p>Great comments!</p>
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		<title>By: Brutal Hugger</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/06/15/gay_camp/#comment-16196</link>
		<dc:creator>Brutal Hugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, I agree that overindulgence is unhealthy by definition.  What I disagree with is the idea that overindulgence can be correlated with straight or gay communities or with gender.  Perhaps I think that way because I disagree with you on what level of indulgence is overindulgence.  Plus, I know a bunch of gay men who aren't getting laid.

Xrlq, I sagree that men are, on average, more promiscuous.  I disagree that men are, on average, more likely to want lots and lots of sex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, I agree that overindulgence is unhealthy by definition.  What I disagree with is the idea that overindulgence can be correlated with straight or gay communities or with gender.  Perhaps I think that way because I disagree with you on what level of indulgence is overindulgence.  Plus, I know a bunch of gay men who aren&#8217;t getting laid.</p>
<p>Xrlq, I sagree that men are, on average, more promiscuous.  I disagree that men are, on average, more likely to want lots and lots of sex.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/06/15/gay_camp/#comment-16195</link>
		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brutal Hugger, I'm just talking of norms as I've observed them. I freely admit that I might be wrong about people's sex habits in general. 

However, I'm not judging, not in a moral way... the only point I'll stand by is that over-indulgance in anything is biologically unhealthy. Like my aunt's dog, he eats too much and he's fat. No arguing with that. No judgement either.   On the other hand, I think you can link biological health and happiness, and most people want to be happy, so there's a recipe there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brutal Hugger, I&#8217;m just talking of norms as I&#8217;ve observed them. I freely admit that I might be wrong about people&#8217;s sex habits in general. </p>
<p>However, I&#8217;m not judging, not in a moral way&#8230; the only point I&#8217;ll stand by is that over-indulgance in anything is biologically unhealthy. Like my aunt&#8217;s dog, he eats too much and he&#8217;s fat. No arguing with that. No judgement either.   On the other hand, I think you can link biological health and happiness, and most people want to be happy, so there&#8217;s a recipe there.</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/06/15/gay_camp/#comment-16193</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BH, I know there are exceptions to every rule, but as a rule, men are far more promiscuous than women.  Just ask any straight, medium-looking guy who's had to try to get laid, or any straight, medium-looking girl who hasn't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BH, I know there are exceptions to every rule, but as a rule, men are far more promiscuous than women.  Just ask any straight, medium-looking guy who&#8217;s had to try to get laid, or any straight, medium-looking girl who hasn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Brutal Hugger</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/06/15/gay_camp/#comment-16190</link>
		<dc:creator>Brutal Hugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a coincidence, Ben, that you, a person in a straight relationship, would judge the amount of sex and emotion in straight relationships as being just the right amount. ;)  It's an especially odd view because the amount of sex and emotions in straight relationships varies all over the map.

I've never understood the stereotype about women being less into sex than men.  Women are into it.  They're insatiable.  You can't beat them off with a stick-- it just turns them on.  I know a lot more women that participate in orgies than men.  Every time one of my lesbian friends starts a relationship, she spends 24/7 in bed with her new girl.  I know more women who are in touch with their seriously kinky side than men.  And in every straight couple I know of where one partner wants more frequent sex, it's the woman.

The only way women differ from men is that they have standards.  Women fit sex into a larger social framework.  Most of the lesbians I know who regularly jump into orgies do it within a loose group of people that know each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a coincidence, Ben, that you, a person in a straight relationship, would judge the amount of sex and emotion in straight relationships as being just the right amount. <img src='http://www.saysuncle.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  It&#8217;s an especially odd view because the amount of sex and emotions in straight relationships varies all over the map.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never understood the stereotype about women being less into sex than men.  Women are into it.  They&#8217;re insatiable.  You can&#8217;t beat them off with a stick&#8211; it just turns them on.  I know a lot more women that participate in orgies than men.  Every time one of my lesbian friends starts a relationship, she spends 24/7 in bed with her new girl.  I know more women who are in touch with their seriously kinky side than men.  And in every straight couple I know of where one partner wants more frequent sex, it&#8217;s the woman.</p>
<p>The only way women differ from men is that they have standards.  Women fit sex into a larger social framework.  Most of the lesbians I know who regularly jump into orgies do it within a loose group of people that know each other.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/06/15/gay_camp/#comment-16189</link>
		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no idea about the choice thing, I can't tell on account of I'm not gay, but I sure didn't choose to be straight. It just happened. 

Truth be told, I would not take it very well if I found out, down the road, that my son was gay. That would be very difficult for me. I would still love him and accept him as my son, but I'd probably take a while to get over it. Argh! 

There is a natural advantage, as far as I can tell, to being straight: Men and women want different things, and to different degrees, out of relationships. Hence, they tend to restrict the behaviors in each other that can get out of control otherwise. e.g Men over-induldging in sex, and women over-induldging in their emotions, neither of which is healthy. Sex and emotions are of course healthy, but too much of either and you burn out. The few gay men and women I've known were serious over-induldgers in sex and emotions. I bet there are exceptions, but it's simply easier for heteros, because we don't have to try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea about the choice thing, I can&#8217;t tell on account of I&#8217;m not gay, but I sure didn&#8217;t choose to be straight. It just happened. </p>
<p>Truth be told, I would not take it very well if I found out, down the road, that my son was gay. That would be very difficult for me. I would still love him and accept him as my son, but I&#8217;d probably take a while to get over it. Argh! </p>
<p>There is a natural advantage, as far as I can tell, to being straight: Men and women want different things, and to different degrees, out of relationships. Hence, they tend to restrict the behaviors in each other that can get out of control otherwise. e.g Men over-induldging in sex, and women over-induldging in their emotions, neither of which is healthy. Sex and emotions are of course healthy, but too much of either and you burn out. The few gay men and women I&#8217;ve known were serious over-induldgers in sex and emotions. I bet there are exceptions, but it&#8217;s simply easier for heteros, because we don&#8217;t have to try.</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/06/15/gay_camp/#comment-16187</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I'm not gay, but I'm guessing it's a little of both.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Uncle: stop the presses, Tgirsch and I agree on something.  Two things, really, if not being gay counts as expressing an opinion.

&lt;blockquote&gt;And I've never really understood why it matters anyway.  To the anti-gay folks, it will make no practical difference.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ah, but it does, as your own quote goes on to illustrate:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Homosexuality is either an aberrant lifestyle choice that should be condemned, or a horrible genetic disease to be treated and "cured."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Bingo.  It's either "curable" or it isn't.  That matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I&#8217;m not gay, but I&#8217;m guessing it&#8217;s a little of both.</p></blockquote>
<p>Uncle: stop the presses, Tgirsch and I agree on something.  Two things, really, if not being gay counts as expressing an opinion.</p>
<blockquote><p>And I&#8217;ve never really understood why it matters anyway.  To the anti-gay folks, it will make no practical difference.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ah, but it does, as your own quote goes on to illustrate:</p>
<blockquote><p>Homosexuality is either an aberrant lifestyle choice that should be condemned, or a horrible genetic disease to be treated and &#8220;cured.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Bingo.  It&#8217;s either &#8220;curable&#8221; or it isn&#8217;t.  That matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravenwood</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/06/15/gay_camp/#comment-16182</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravenwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was done pretty well in "&lt;a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0179116/maindetails"&gt;But I'm a Cheerleader&lt;/a&gt;"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0179116/maindetails</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was done pretty well in &#8220;<a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0179116/maindetails">But I&#8217;m a Cheerleader</a>&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0179116/maindetails" rel="nofollow">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0179116/maindetails</a></p>
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		<title>By: tgirsch</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/06/15/gay_camp/#comment-16177</link>
		<dc:creator>tgirsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, your gay mafia remark reminds me &lt;a href="http://wackyiraqi.com/rant/gay_marriage/homorecruit.htm" target="newwindow"&gt;of this&lt;/a&gt;.  The chalkboard drawing is my favorite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, your gay mafia remark reminds me <a href="http://wackyiraqi.com/rant/gay_marriage/homorecruit.htm" target="newwindow">of this</a>.  The chalkboard drawing is my favorite.</p>
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		<title>By: tgirsch</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/06/15/gay_camp/#comment-16176</link>
		<dc:creator>tgirsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;this week, is being a gay a lifestyle choice or biological?&lt;/blockquote&gt;I'm not gay, but I'm guessing it's a little of both.  And I've never really understood why it matters anyway.  To the anti-gay folks, it will make no practical difference.  Homosexuality is either an aberrant lifestyle choice that should be condemned, or a horrible genetic disease to be treated and "cured."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>this week, is being a gay a lifestyle choice or biological?</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not gay, but I&#8217;m guessing it&#8217;s a little of both.  And I&#8217;ve never really understood why it matters anyway.  To the anti-gay folks, it will make no practical difference.  Homosexuality is either an aberrant lifestyle choice that should be condemned, or a horrible genetic disease to be treated and &#8220;cured.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Brutal Hugger</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/06/15/gay_camp/#comment-16172</link>
		<dc:creator>Brutal Hugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cube, my guess is that if Zach isn't gay, he'd figure that out eventually without spending the summer in lockdown.  I know a few people that came out as teens only to reconsider it a few years later.  It's a confusing time, and kids have a hard time keeping their sexuality straight.

I also know a lot of gays that thought they were straight.  A close friend of mine didn't come out until after college.  When I first met him, he was dating this incredibly hot girl and they had extremely loud sex 24 hours a day.

Another friend of mine was convinced she was bisexual.  Now she thinks boys are icky.

Maybe we should reinvent gay camp as a place where we help people realize and admit they are queer.  The long journey from confused to gay comes with a ton of grief along the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cube, my guess is that if Zach isn&#8217;t gay, he&#8217;d figure that out eventually without spending the summer in lockdown.  I know a few people that came out as teens only to reconsider it a few years later.  It&#8217;s a confusing time, and kids have a hard time keeping their sexuality straight.</p>
<p>I also know a lot of gays that thought they were straight.  A close friend of mine didn&#8217;t come out until after college.  When I first met him, he was dating this incredibly hot girl and they had extremely loud sex 24 hours a day.</p>
<p>Another friend of mine was convinced she was bisexual.  Now she thinks boys are icky.</p>
<p>Maybe we should reinvent gay camp as a place where we help people realize and admit they are queer.  The long journey from confused to gay comes with a ton of grief along the way.</p>
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		<title>By: cube</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/06/15/gay_camp/#comment-16171</link>
		<dc:creator>cube</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if the camp works for zach and he is not gay and them becomes a proponent of the gay camp, on his blog?</description>
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		<title>By: Guy Montag</title>
		<link>http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2005/06/15/gay_camp/#comment-16168</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy Montag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My child already told me that he wants to be a lawyer.  He has lost all of the shock value from anything else he could possibly tell me.</description>
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