Comments on: So, is this a flip-flop? http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2004/09/07/so_is_this_a_flip-flop/ Remember, I do this to entertain me... not you. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:05:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Welcome to Castle Argghhh! The Home Of Two Of Jonah's Military Guys. http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2004/09/07/so_is_this_a_flip-flop/#comment-8833 Welcome to Castle Argghhh! The Home Of Two Of Jonah's Military Guys. Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:30:56 +0000 /?p=3686#comment-8833 <strong>Welcome back into the light...</strong> Here are the weapons at the Armory of Castle Argghhh! that were subject to controls under the AWB, when in their original, military configuration, i.e., bayonet lugs, flash suppressors, and grenade launchers (all features eagerly sought by criminals):... Welcome back into the light…
Here are the weapons at the Armory of Castle Argghhh! that were subject to controls under the AWB, when in their original, military configuration, i.e., bayonet lugs, flash suppressors, and grenade launchers (all features eagerly sought by criminals):…

]]> By: Furious Flav http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2004/09/07/so_is_this_a_flip-flop/#comment-8691 Furious Flav Wed, 08 Sep 2004 19:34:29 +0000 /?p=3686#comment-8691 Make your feelings known: http://www.petitiononline.com/ghyu09/petition.html We want to know whether or not he filled out the paperwork! Make your feelings known:

http://www.petitiononline.com/ghyu09/petition.html

We want to know whether or not he filled out the paperwork!

]]> By: Alphecca http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2004/09/07/so_is_this_a_flip-flop/#comment-8677 Alphecca Wed, 08 Sep 2004 12:21:50 +0000 /?p=3686#comment-8677 <strong>Kerry and the Gun</strong> InstaPundit is all over it as is Say Uncle and Publicola. They all have links to lots of other commentary on the bruhaha as well. I'll just add one little comment of my own: If the gun Kerry is waving... Kerry and the Gun
InstaPundit is all over it as is Say Uncle and Publicola. They all have links to lots of other commentary on the bruhaha as well. I’ll just add one little comment of my own: If the gun Kerry is waving…

]]> By: Stop the Bleating! http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2004/09/07/so_is_this_a_flip-flop/#comment-8675 Stop the Bleating! Wed, 08 Sep 2004 05:32:07 +0000 /?p=3686#comment-8675 <strong>AND ANOTHER THING . . . </strong> There's been a buzz in the blogosphere about John Kerry's shotgun antics in Racine, WV over the holiday weekend. So here's what I want to know: What happened to the shotgun after the photo opp? You see, if the transfer AND ANOTHER THING . . .
There’s been a buzz in the blogosphere about John Kerry’s shotgun antics in Racine, WV over the holiday weekend. So here’s what I want to know: What happened to the shotgun after the photo opp? You see, if the transfer

]]> By: Stop the Bleating! http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2004/09/07/so_is_this_a_flip-flop/#comment-8674 Stop the Bleating! Wed, 08 Sep 2004 05:29:52 +0000 /?p=3686#comment-8674 <strong>AND ANOTHER THING . . . </strong> There's been a buzz in the blogosphere about John Kerry's shotgun antics in Racine, WV over the holiday weekend. So here's what I want to know: What happened to the shotgun after the photo opp? You see, if the transfer AND ANOTHER THING . . .
There’s been a buzz in the blogosphere about John Kerry’s shotgun antics in Racine, WV over the holiday weekend. So here’s what I want to know: What happened to the shotgun after the photo opp? You see, if the transfer

]]> By: gunner http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2004/09/07/so_is_this_a_flip-flop/#comment-8671 gunner Tue, 07 Sep 2004 23:12:47 +0000 /?p=3686#comment-8671 The issue is what "they" define as a pistol grip. That bill would have outlawed darn near everything. Thanks for bringing together a lot of views. The issue is what “they” define as a pistol grip. That bill would have outlawed darn near everything.

Thanks for bringing together a lot of views.

]]> By: Classical Values http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2004/09/07/so_is_this_a_flip-flop/#comment-8669 Classical Values Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:17:41 +0000 /?p=3686#comment-8669 <strong>Look at what happens when he stops talking about Vietnam!</strong> Everyone, be sure to check out Alphecca's (my blogfather's) Weekly Check on the Bias. Take a good look at that picture of Kerry holding the shotgun (purportedly to show he's on the side of the Second Amendment). It has just... Look at what happens when he stops talking about Vietnam!
Everyone, be sure to check out Alphecca’s (my blogfather’s) Weekly Check on the Bias. Take a good look at that picture of Kerry holding the shotgun (purportedly to show he’s on the side of the Second Amendment). It has just…

]]> By: SayUncle http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2004/09/07/so_is_this_a_flip-flop/#comment-8667 SayUncle Tue, 07 Sep 2004 19:04:38 +0000 /?p=3686#comment-8667 I've never crashe from past instalanches. I’ve never crashe from past instalanches.

]]> By: Heartless Libertarian http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2004/09/07/so_is_this_a_flip-flop/#comment-8666 Heartless Libertarian Tue, 07 Sep 2004 19:01:03 +0000 /?p=3686#comment-8666 Dude, InstaPundit just linked to you. Hope your server can handle it. Dude, InstaPundit just linked to you. Hope your server can handle it.

]]> By: Heartless Libertarian http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2004/09/07/so_is_this_a_flip-flop/#comment-8665 Heartless Libertarian Tue, 07 Sep 2004 18:23:06 +0000 /?p=3686#comment-8665 The part about how his bill would have banned citizen to citizen transfers of the gun he's waving (like an idiot, or Saddam, I might add) assumes that the waved gun is an assault weapon. (SB 1431, Sec 6) Which goes back to the argument of "Is that a pistol grip, or isn't it?" Anyone else note how SEc 2 (L) would pretty much outlaw both NRA High Power and 3-gun? The part about how his bill would have banned citizen to citizen transfers of the gun he’s waving (like an idiot, or Saddam, I might add) assumes that the waved gun is an assault weapon. (SB 1431, Sec 6)
Which goes back to the argument of “Is that a pistol grip, or isn’t it?”

Anyone else note how SEc 2 (L) would pretty much outlaw both NRA High Power and 3-gun?

]]> By: Welcome to Castle Argghhh! The Home Of Two Of Jonah's Military Guys. http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2004/09/07/so_is_this_a_flip-flop/#comment-8664 Welcome to Castle Argghhh! The Home Of Two Of Jonah's Military Guys. Tue, 07 Sep 2004 18:05:44 +0000 /?p=3686#comment-8664 <strong>You Can't Make This Sh*T Up!</strong> From Drudge today: KERRY COSPONSORED BILL BANNING GUN HE WAVES Was Dem presidential hopeful John Kerry seen this weekend waving a gun which would have been banned if legislation he co-sponsored became law? Kerry co-sponsored S. 1431 last year (“The... You Can’t Make This Sh*T Up!
From Drudge today: KERRY COSPONSORED BILL BANNING GUN HE WAVES Was Dem presidential hopeful John Kerry seen this weekend waving a gun which would have been banned if legislation he co-sponsored became law? Kerry co-sponsored S. 1431 last year (“The…

]]> By: Publicola http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2004/09/07/so_is_this_a_flip-flop/#comment-8663 Publicola Tue, 07 Sep 2004 17:50:10 +0000 /?p=3686#comment-8663 Uncle - heartless libertarian has a post where he quotes the bill in question & it does use the same definition of pistol grip as the awb. I still think the mag limit is where he'd run afoul of things because of the Mini-shell. Xrlq, If I recall correctly the GCA of '68 did ban transfers to people from other states. But the FOPA of 86 repealed that provision as far as long guns were concerned. It still prohibits interstate transfers of pistols. Course I do believe that Mass has some pretty strict requirements for gun registration (though it could jus be gun owner registration) so if he ever brings it into Mass w/o jumping through all those hoops he might violate state law - but that's another subject altogether. Uncle - heartless libertarian has a post where he quotes the bill in question & it does use the same definition of pistol grip as the awb.

I still think the mag limit is where he’d run afoul of things because of the Mini-shell.

Xrlq,

If I recall correctly the GCA of ‘68 did ban transfers to people from other states. But the FOPA of 86 repealed that provision as far as long guns were concerned. It still prohibits interstate transfers of pistols.

Course I do believe that Mass has some pretty strict requirements for gun registration (though it could jus be gun owner registration) so if he ever brings it into Mass w/o jumping through all those hoops he might violate state law - but that’s another subject altogether.

]]> By: damnum absque injuria http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2004/09/07/so_is_this_a_flip-flop/#comment-8662 damnum absque injuria Tue, 07 Sep 2004 17:41:46 +0000 /?p=3686#comment-8662 <strong>Gun Control Made Simple</strong> You won't have your gun anymore, but I still will. It was a great catch for Drudge, had he left it at that. Unfortunately, he tries to make Kerry into a criminal, and in so doing, utterly butchers the law. Drudge writes: It is not clear if Ker... Gun Control Made Simple
You won’t have your gun anymore, but I still will.

It was a great catch for Drudge, had he left it at that. Unfortunately, he tries to make Kerry into a criminal, and in so doing, utterly butchers the law. Drudge writes:

It is not clear if Ker…

]]> By: Xrlq http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2004/09/07/so_is_this_a_flip-flop/#comment-8661 Xrlq Tue, 07 Sep 2004 17:37:17 +0000 /?p=3686#comment-8661 Drudge is wrong on the Gun Control Act. It's not illegal to purchase a long gun out of state, as long as the sale complies with the laws of both states. I'm not sure what the law is for private transfers. Drudge is wrong on the Gun Control Act. It’s not illegal to purchase a long gun out of state, as long as the sale complies with the laws of both states. I’m not sure what the law is for private transfers.

]]> By: SayUncle http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2004/09/07/so_is_this_a_flip-flop/#comment-8660 SayUncle Tue, 07 Sep 2004 16:58:46 +0000 /?p=3686#comment-8660 Per the law, that is not a pistol grip as it does not protrude conspicously from beneath the action. However, the ban kerry sponsored also includes thumbholes stocks as pistol grips. Per the law, that is not a pistol grip as it does not protrude conspicously from beneath the action. However, the ban kerry sponsored also includes thumbholes stocks as pistol grips.

]]> By: Publicola http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2004/09/07/so_is_this_a_flip-flop/#comment-8658 Publicola Tue, 07 Sep 2004 16:53:19 +0000 /?p=3686#comment-8658 Actuslly a curved grip IS a pistol grip. If the shotgun didn't have a pistol grip it would be straigh from the trigger to the toe of the stock. What the AWB specifies is a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action, which would mean a pistol grip like you're thinking of. I'd have to double check the McCarthy-Conyers bill tat would strengthen & renew the ban, but it is probable that they simple use the phrase "pistol grip" which would include any grip that curves as Drudge implies. But if I recall correctly the McCarthy-Conyers bill would ban all semi-auto's capable of holding X number of rounds, which at the time I read it left me with the impression that damn near all semi-auto's would be banned, including the ones like Kerry possessed. It said something to the effect of "capable of holding X rounds". I think it was more than 5 rounds. Now it didn't specifiy length of the shell, & I'm damn sure some anti-gun asshole would break open a box of Aguilla Mini-shells (which are only 1.5" as opposed to 2 3/4" or 3") & use those to determine how many rounds a shotgun can hold. Anyway, I don't think Drudge got it wrong, it's just a semantical question that could be looked at from three different perspectives: the technical definition of a pistol frip, the common understanding of a pistol grip, & the legal definition of a pistol grip. Actuslly a curved grip IS a pistol grip. If the shotgun didn’t have a pistol grip it would be straigh from the trigger to the toe of the stock.

What the AWB specifies is a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action, which would mean a pistol grip like you’re thinking of.

I’d have to double check the McCarthy-Conyers bill tat would strengthen & renew the ban, but it is probable that they simple use the phrase “pistol grip” which would include any grip that curves as Drudge implies.

But if I recall correctly the McCarthy-Conyers bill would ban all semi-auto’s capable of holding X number of rounds, which at the time I read it left me with the impression that damn near all semi-auto’s would be banned, including the ones like Kerry possessed. It said something to the effect of “capable of holding X rounds”. I think it was more than 5 rounds. Now it didn’t specifiy length of the shell, & I’m damn sure some anti-gun asshole would break open a box of Aguilla Mini-shells (which are only 1.5″ as opposed to 2 3/4″ or 3″) & use those to determine how many rounds a shotgun can hold.

Anyway, I don’t think Drudge got it wrong, it’s just a semantical question that could be looked at from three different perspectives: the technical definition of a pistol frip, the common understanding of a pistol grip, & the legal definition of a pistol grip.

]]> By: Diane Feinstein http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2004/09/07/so_is_this_a_flip-flop/#comment-8657 Diane Feinstein Tue, 07 Sep 2004 16:40:00 +0000 /?p=3686#comment-8657 Pistol Grips DO increase the leathality of guns! So do collapsable stocks! And deer are deactivated unicorns! Pistol Grips DO increase the leathality of guns! So do collapsable stocks! And deer are deactivated unicorns!

]]> By: Jeff Blogworthy.com http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2004/09/07/so_is_this_a_flip-flop/#comment-8655 Jeff Blogworthy.com Tue, 07 Sep 2004 16:30:03 +0000 /?p=3686#comment-8655 <strong>Drudge: Kerry tried to ban his own gun!</strong> You've seen it; he loves to hold it up in photo-ops. This is too good. Although I'm sure, as a senator, Kerry would have been exempt from the law that he would make all the rest of us mortal peons follow. Update: SayUncle says the story is not exa... Drudge: Kerry tried to ban his own gun!
You’ve seen it; he loves to hold it up in photo-ops. This is too good. Although I’m sure, as a senator, Kerry would have been exempt from the law that he would make all the rest of us mortal peons follow.

Update: SayUncle says the story is not exa…

]]> By: SayUncle : There’s your sportsman president for you http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2004/09/07/so_is_this_a_flip-flop/#comment-8765 SayUncle : There’s your sportsman president for you Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=3686#comment-8765 [...] ous that he doesn’t understand the bill. Hell, he doesn’t understand bills he <a href="http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2004/09/07/so_is_this_a_flip-flop/">cosponsors</a>. Sportsman, my ass. | Link | | Category: Politics, Guns | [...] [...] ous that he doesn’t understand the bill. Hell, he doesn’t understand bills he cosponsors. Sportsman, my ass.
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