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NFRTR data

Someone sent a FOIA request to ATF on the database that tracks machineguns and got this:

Pre 86 (transferables): 175,977
Sales Samples (pre May keepers): 17,020
Restricted 922(o) (posties): 297,667

7 Responses to “NFRTR data”

  1. Mattcfii Says:

    This is why trading bump stocks for an amnesty period of reopening the registry would have been ok in my book. Don’t get me wrong, right now we are getting nothing for it and I don’t think they should be banned in principle, but if they are “machine guns” the ATF has the power to allow amnesty whenever they want so A. bump stock owners should still have the option to get a stamp for their previously non-NFA items and B. hey ATF, while you are at it, what’s good for the bump stock guys is good for everybody else.

    I think NRA was quiet about this exact stance on their Bump stock NPRM comment because of point B.

  2. Geoff Says:

    That is 490,664.
    There are a bunch missing.
    According to the NFA Registered Weapons there are as of the Feb 2018 report 638,360 Machine Guns in the Registry in 2017.
    That is a difference of 147,696.
    https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/docs/undefined/firearms-commerce-united-states-annual-statistical-update-2017/download
    Page 16 in the .pdf (counting the cover page)

  3. Geoff Says:

    @ mattcfii
    The Hughes Amendment to FOPA prohibits any new machine guns for civilians, so they cannot open the Registry for new “machine gun bump stocks” for civilians.

  4. MattCFII Says:

    Geoff,

    NRA believes the ATF has that power still for machine gun amnesty post Hughes:
    https://www.regulations.gov/contentStreamer?documentId=ATF-2018-0002-87401&attachmentNumber=1&contentType=pdf

  5. MattCFII Says:

    TLDR takeaway from that:
    “III. Conclusion
    However ATF continues with this proposed rule, it must keep in mind the limitations placed on the definition of “machinegun” by Congress. If ATF decides to reverse prior determinations regarding the classification of specific devices, then it should provide for an amnesty period for these devices and other unregistered “machinegun[s].”
    Signed,
    Josh Savani
    Director
    Research & Information Division
    NRA-ILA”

  6. Geoff Says:

    Several Lawyers have determined bumpstocks cannot be registered as they were made after 1986 and have no serial number and the Hughes Amendment forbids new machine guns to Civilians. In this case the NRA is wrong and attempting to backtrack.
    If the ATF rule that a bumpstock is a machine gun passes muster they cannot be registered.

  7. one-eyed Jack Says:

    I think that I would like to have a post sample bump stock. Should be easy. Being 07/SOT I could make and engrave one and send in a form 2. Be interesting to see what happens. Jack.

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