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Quote of the day

wizardpc in comments:

I was promised National Reciprocity and the Hearing Protection Act.

I got a bumpstock ban.

Word.

17 Responses to “Quote of the day”

  1. JTC Says:

    “I got a bump(fire) stock ban.”

    Not yet. Maybe never. Lots of “loopholes”. DT’s plan?
    We’ll see. Same for reciprocity and cans; 2nd term.

    I OTOH along with my fellow Floridiots did get ban on the stocks, a 21 age requirement and a 3-day wait for long gun purchase, and a rule to take weapons that puts way too much discretion in the hands of popo. And all of this from a heretofore very solid and reliable conservative governor who got scared when Parkland happened in his state on his watch and waaayyy jumped the gun on that shit so to speak, while Trump paid lip service and nothing more…his typical misdirection that Rick Scott misinterpreted and shot himself in the foot politically.

    So Fla which was very early to the CC dance and otherwise strong on gun issues is now in the company of the usual liberal suspect states like Cali, MD, and NY. And that does set a dangerous precedent for other states pols to do similar dumb shit out of political fear.

    But you haven’t seen Trump do a damn thing anti, and it seems NRA understands his sleight of speech MO and stands solid with him. And you won’t see him do dumb shit out of political fear because he has none.

    I’ll take the wait and see on stocks and other anti shit…I used to get pissed when it seemed like he caved on something, but anymore I think it’s a ploy which he has used over and over very successfully on national and international matters…can you say New Nafta, trade tariffs, “climate discord”, Fuck Iran, etc. etc. etc. ? I knew you could.

  2. MikeQ Says:

    ^^^JTC drop the mic walk off stage. We’re done here.

  3. Geoff Says:

    It makes no sense to ban the bump stocks since with practice you can bump fire with just your finger.
    The bump stock makes it easier for those with a physical disability, like severe arthritis.

  4. Paul Says:

    Get a grip folks…. and stop reading propaganda.

    We will see what we get. Do you really think Trump will stab people in the back like Bush Sr. did? Has he stabbed any group that supported him in the back???

    Get a grip.

  5. Mike Says:

    You got Hillary on the sidelines, instead of picking the next two justices. So far.

    Everything else is a tiny detail.

    In ten years we’ll look back on this as the moment we finally won.

  6. wizardpc Says:

    Imma need y’alls addresses so I know where to send the crow you can eat when 2017R-22 goes from Proposed to Enacted.

    Here’s the “propaganda” I’ve been reading:
    https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/03/29/2018-06292/bump-stock-type-devices

    This is not sleight of hand. The ATF isn’t magically going to publish a rule that says something completely different than the proposed rule. That’s not how it works.

    I am in no way saying Hillary would have been preferable, but people who think my statement is incorrect need to engage in some personal reflection.

  7. JTC Says:

    “People” don’t necessarily think your opinions are incorrect, just premature and not based on actual past history. And of course if ATF can publish a rule that is completely different than their existing one on bumpfires which says they’re A-OK, there’s nothing they can’t/won’t do.

  8. wizardpc Says:

    You are confusing a determination (a letter that says bumpstocks follow the rules and are not machineguns) with a new rule that says “The term ‘machinegun’ includes bump-stock-type devices.” That is literally copy-pasted from the proposed rule.

    It appears that you do not understand that these are two different things.

  9. Some law talking guy Says:

    Ok, what the ATF folks published is just a notice of PROPOSED rulemaking, whihc is just that, a proposed rule they are statutorily required to accept written public comments on and consider them in any final rulemaking. Of course the NRA and the rest will likely comment, but individuals who oppose it are welcome to file comments as well. Cough.

    Then, in a year or two, ATF will publish a determination that a final rule is not warranted. If they get enough anti-comments. Cough.

    You should really take a breath when you hear Trump make a “promise”, whether it’s for you or against you. He sees EVERYTHING as a negotiation, so put yourself in his shoes and think about what his “ask” was/will be from the other side to propose something as limited as a bump stock ban.

    (Yes, I like Trump, but I do think bump stocks are moronic ways to burn money and I’d bet for a bunch of pro-gun stuff come 2021.)

  10. JTC Says:

    wizardpc, read through the comment of SLTG above to see an excellent alternative stating of what I’ve said several times. It appears you do not understand that talk (“proposed”) and action (“determination”) are two different things.

  11. Carl "Bear" Bussjaeger Says:

    “Some law talking guy,” are you that clueless?

    The ATF didn’t just publish the NPRM. They published it in 2017, took comments, then re-opened it this year. Comments closed in June (193,297 comments submitted, roughly 80% opposed). Despite opposing comments, and the fact that the NPRM is based on a lie as to how bump-fire stocks work, and an unsubstantiated allegation of criminal use, Trump has announced that the rule is going to be published and implemented in 2-3 weeks.

  12. JTC Says:

    “Trump has announced that the rule is going to be published and implemented in 2-3 weeks.”

    Cites? No? Didn’t think so.

    That’s because that would be in direct violation of the actual steps and time frames required…including an additional comment/review period and of course the certain lawsuit. That series of requirements would put actual implementation right about in the year or so time period SLTG mentions, hopefully with the result he anticipates. Again, it ain’t over ’til it’s over as a pretty smart guy once said.

    And then there is the question of one of Trump’s first EO’s requiring the removal of two regs for every new one. If these junk stocks do get reg’ed in with MG’s, one good reg to dump would be the muffler ban, legalizing a distinctly beneficial product for the public. For the other eliminated reg, hey pick one.

    Could our crazy red-haired fox of a Prez have this in mind? Who knows? Yesterday brought news that Benz and Bimmer will build more cars here and employment numbers are the best in 50 years. Wonder why that is? Dude has not fucked up yet that I’ve seen, I don’t expect him to alienate a primary support group at this juncture without getting a serious quid pro quo.

  13. Carl "Bear" Bussjaeger Says:

    JTC: “Cites? No? Didn’t think so.”

    ===
    https://www.dallasnews.com/news/guns/2018/10/01/trump-says-ban-bump-stocks-used-vegas-shootings-two-three-weeks-away

    On the anniversary Monday of the mass shooting in Las Vegas that left 58 people dead, President Donald Trump said a ban on bump stocks would be enacted in “two or three weeks.”

    “We’re knocking out bump stocks. I’ve told the NRA … bump stocks are gone,” Trump said Monday at a news conference.
    ===

    “That’s because that would be in direct violation of the actual steps and time frames required…including an additional comment/review period”

    It already went through two comment periods, that of which closed more than three months ago. The first notice was last year.

    https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=ATF-2018-0002-0001

  14. JTC Says:

    Yes I saw the vid, still just talk at this point.

    “5 U.S.C. requires federal agencies to publish in the Federal Register a general notice of proposed rulemaking and give interested persons an opportunity to submit comments thereon. Agencies must consider and address all comments in the final rule (and) address the comments and articulate a rational basis for the proposals adopted.

    Review at Justice is likely to take several months, then the final rule will be submitted to the Office of Management and Budget for review.

    Office of Management and Budget has 90 days to review a final rule. The 90-day time period may be extended once for an additional 30-day period. Once OMB approves the final rule, it will be published in the Federal Register. The Administrative Procedure Act requires that the final rule be published not less than 30 days before its effective date (and) the agency may delay the effective date beyond 30 days.

    5 U.S.C. 706 sets forth the scope of judicial review when aggrieved parties file suit challenging an agency’s final rule. The statute allows a reviewing court to set aside a final rule if it is arbitrary, capricious, an abuse of discretion, otherwise not in accordance with law, or in excess of statutory authority.

    Filing suit challenging a final rule banning bump-stock-type devices. Domestic manufacturers of the devices would have an interest in challenging a ban because of the economic impact. Consumers who currently possess the devices and are required to destroy them or face criminal prosecution would also have standing to file suit. Finally, firearms industry groups and special interest groups representing sportsmen could participate in litigation challenging a regulation banning the devices.

    Litigation challenging the regulation could result in a preliminary injunction that maintains the status quo and restrains ATF from implementing the regulation pending judicial review. If so, the Administration would be prevented from banning the devices until a court rules on the merits of the case.”

  15. Carl "Bear" Bussjaeger Says:

    JTC, where have you been for the past year? Let me explain this: The NPRM was published in the Federal Register, last year. They took comment for 90 days. They published the NPRM in the FR again in March of this year, and took more comments for another 90 days. They reviewed it for months. They then sent the rule to the OMB.

  16. JTC Says:

    “JTC, where have you been for the past year?”

    I guess the same place with people like Unc who said all this appeared to have been forgotten until Trump’s statement (made on LV anniversary BTW so consider that in a political/promotional context).

    So Justice has addressed comments and objections and submitted to OMB? Haven’t seen that. Then OMB has it for another 90 days plus 30 plus another 30 potential extensions…then it is open to lawsuit, injunction, and restraint?

    Huh. Still sounds a lot closer to a year than a few weeks until they’re rounded up, we’ll see.

  17. JTC Says:

    BTW, as we bitch and moan about what might be, let’s give credit and thanks for what absolutely is, and take a moment to reflect on what is surely one of the best weeks for Presidential accomplishment (and for our Republic) in oh, right about 30 years or so…let’s hit the highlights;

    Kavanaugh to SCOTUS obviously, and not just that a strong and dependable conservative will help guide that body in keeping America great for the next 30-40 years, but because the evil ogres of the left exposed themselves for what they are and almost certainly cost themselves an advantage in the upcoming elections just a month away…keep it up you lying thieving evil bitches!

    Then there’s the New Nafta wherein our neighbors to the north and south figured out this shit is for real and they better get in gear or get left behind; a far far better and more fair agreement for the US than the boondoggle preceding it.

    The economy as reliably gauged by the stock market liked that last one, and justifiably so…big gains on that announcement because they know what it means for our farms, manufacturing, and jobs.

    And speaking of jobs, how about the new report detailing the best employment figures in terms of unemployment rate and new job creation in oh, about 50 frickin’ years?

    Then you’ve got euro-biz saying eff this Clinton clone crone in Germany and her socialist illegal immigrant loving ass…Benz and Bimmer both make big announcements of their intention to build and assemble cars intended for the US market right here in the US, with new facilities planned and more jobs to run ’em.

    That leaves China…running scared and losing the game of chicken they stupidly engaged in with Trump who righteously promised and is delivering a new plan of fair trade and to quit letting those commie bastards dick us around and rob us blind…and in the process showing their hand that it is they and their highly organized system of tech theft and manipulation that threaten our elections and sensitive data, not the sad-sack inept Russkies that the lefties are so obsessed with.

    There’s more, but you get the gist…helluva week for the Trumpster and the US of A right there. God willing and the Red crick keep rising, many more weeks like this to come. Hallelujah!