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ATF says “overall length” is when it’s folded

In a reversal of past interpretation, they are now saying guns with braces on folding stocks are Any Other Weapons.

ATF can’t keep the gun laws straight.

7 Responses to “ATF says “overall length” is when it’s folded”

  1. Lyle Says:

    When the laws and rules, restrictions and requirements, become so numerous that no one can ever know them all (and we’re well past that point) then they can harass the shit out of anyone and call it “legal”.

  2. Ravenwood Says:

    If they don’t even know, how are we supposed to?

  3. Miles Says:

    Not entirely correct.
    The BatBrainedBoyz are saying that a pistol with a foldy Armbrace and a front vertical grip is still a AOW is the folded OAL is less than 26 inches

    Apparently they got their collective panties in a wad over people reading their previous rulings and figuring out ways to avoid them (as I was actually in the process of doing)

    So, the front vertical grip gets changed to an angled one

  4. rickn8or Says:

    Miles, the nerve of some people! Complying with the letter of the law… It’s anarchy I tell ya!

  5. Jay Eimer Says:

    And the REALLY stupid part is all that SBR/SBS/AOW stuff was to prevent criminals from sawing off barrels/stocks – BECAUSE – the original draft of NFA ’34 also outlawed handguns! Lobbying got the handguns dropped from the final version, but no one noticed that if you can own and conceal a pistol, why bother mutilating a rifle.

  6. Miles Says:


    I think anarchy, or rather utter confusion, is kinda what they want. It’s like the line from Ayn Rand’s book Atlas Shrugged

    “There is no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is to crack down on criminals. When there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking the law.”

    With that you have ‘selective enforcement’ and TPTB can harass political enemies whenever the urge strikes.

  7. Ron W Says:

    Back before liberals abandoned classical liberalism for authoritarian government:

    “Our Government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the Government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself. It invites anarchy. To declare that, in the administration of the law, the end justifies the means would bring a terrible retribution. Against that pernicious doctrine, this Court should resolutely set its face.” –Louis D. Brandeis, SCOTUS Justice, Dissenting, Olmstead v. United States, 277 U.S. 438 (1928).

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