Strangely, no
Do you have an inventory of all your firearms?
I probably should for various reasons. Though ammo inventory would be more useful information to me.
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August 30th, 2017 at 6:11 pm
written down, no. An inventory, yes.
August 30th, 2017 at 6:24 pm
I like the M1A in the picture. Mine has a synthetic stock. Wish I had gotten Walnut like that one.
An inventory is a good idea with serial numbers. I have a partial list with some traded ones marked off. Need to update. Thanks for the reminder.
August 30th, 2017 at 6:49 pm
We do a photo inventory with the make and serial numbers every few years… it is amazing what I forgot I had!
Oh, and I made a laminate sheet with my ammo counts. Think white board with growing numbers of pew-pew food.
August 30th, 2017 at 8:32 pm
I had a hard copy inventory until my house died in a fire. But I did have photos of all the serial numbers in the cloud so that helped.
August 30th, 2017 at 9:08 pm
Make, model, serial list. You might need it one day.
August 30th, 2017 at 9:25 pm
I keep mine current. Ammo, no.
August 30th, 2017 at 10:24 pm
I can think of several reasons not to. If you do, it should be heavily encrypted, not in the cloud, and easily disposed of.
August 31st, 2017 at 1:03 am
What Phelps said.
In my case, for many years my FFL bound-book kept track.
These days, freed from those fed ties that bind, my personal possessions inventory is kept quite securely but rather anonymously by a 4400 lb. TL-30.
Between shooty stuff and the five precious metals, with some notable sentimental exceptions there’s quite a bit of rotation and for all practical reasons for maintaining an actual list, it suffices instead.
At one time I had an 8000 lb TRTL that provided even more anonymous security as it once did for Elvis Presley’s most famous bling, sad key phrase being “at one time”, but that’s a whole ‘nother story…
http://poetnthepawnbroker.blogspot.com/2017/08/jeweler-to-king.html
August 31st, 2017 at 3:00 am
Much many good ideas, and following the security stuff mentioned above is more gooder. Me, I favor EMP-resistant DVDs with current files on multiple, separately-stored thumb drives as the easy way to keep info updated, to allow publishing, distributing and storing fresh DVDs periodically.
Pro tip: Don’t delete something if you sell it, just mark it sold. I’ve been contacted by BATFE for guns purchased, and sold, many years before.
Coupla extra hi def photos, including a closeup of the serial, without any of your ID info in the pic could be handy to give to LE in the event of a theft.
And, while you’re inventorying your noisemakers, inventory everything else you own; more detailed is better, and turn your inner OCD lose on the detail – think make, model, serial where applicable, purchase date, MSRP, current estimated value,description, and HD pictures are good – because when submitting a claim documentation is king. There are a lot of people in Texas who lost everything, or at least a lot, who will be wrangling with insurance companies and the IRS for years (what’s not covered by insurance can be deducted as a casualty loss if it’s big enough, assuming you can prove you owned it and its value).
August 31st, 2017 at 6:00 am
Yes. On 3×5 cards. I don’t trust that to a computer, especially one with storage elsewhere (cloud). What more, I stopped insuring them by the each on a Personal Articles Floater. When I inquired through an insurance industry insider how secure from Gov’t intrusion the Insurance Co data was, I was told that these corporations have no plans for defending that data from government intrusion, all requests for such lists would be complied with.
August 31st, 2017 at 7:56 am
@Rivrdog – the NRA insurance program is “unscheduled” meaning you buy X dollars of coverage without having to list the specifics. In the event of a loss and subsequent claim you’ll have to provide those details, but they’ll be on the police report by then anyway.
August 31st, 2017 at 8:38 am
Between my C&R book and my insurance list yeah…
August 31st, 2017 at 9:27 am
I’ve been slowing making a firearm and ammo inventory. Its a laborious process with my large collection. I use an app right now- its all local.
August 31st, 2017 at 9:30 am
“Pro tip: Don’t delete something if you sell it, just mark it sold. I’ve been contacted by BATFE for guns purchased, and sold, many years before.”
@Alien,
Do they expect us or is that a requirement to have such info if contacted?
August 31st, 2017 at 9:49 am
Interested about the App. I just take pictures with the info written in big bold sharpie next to it. Have had pistols stolen, and I wish I had the photos to show.
August 31st, 2017 at 12:54 pm
Had one. Complete with two columns, one with purchase price and one (stupidly) with current value. Wife discovered it and suddenly came up with all sorts of ways to spend proceeds from a big gigantic firearms and accessories sale! Thankfully no sale actually happened! Haven’t had the desire to create an updated one anytime lately…..
August 31st, 2017 at 1:46 pm
If you’re not a licensee and are having feds contact you, you’re doing it wrong, completely missing the advantages of private buying/selling/ownership. They have no purview and you are not required to keep or provide any information to them at all.
And fuck insuring against loss, again requiring third party access to your private bidness. Losing something is akin to trying to call a negligent discharge accidental; if it happens, again you are doing something wrong. And if it happens anyway, suck it up and absorb the loss, call it self-insurance if you will.
August 31st, 2017 at 4:11 pm
@Ron W – IANAL, but AFAIK there’s no requirement to have that info, and I did not think the agent expected much info. I was contacted because I was the first retail purchaser and on the 4473; I was one of the extremely few purchasers in that jurisdiction who had purchased not only one, but two, identical new guns of a fairly rare caliber, both on the same 4473, which was discontinued by the manufacturer quite shortly after my purchase so very few were in circulation. The agent told me several crimes using a gun of that caliber were on record in the jurisdiction where the selling FFL was located and where I lived at the time I bought them; I did not inquire why the issue had been escalated by the locals to involve BATFE (it should be noted that buying 2 handguns in a 5-day period requires the FFL send special notification to BATFE, separate from the 4473, which the FFL retains). BATFE is entitled to review 4473s at the FFL’s location anytime, unless the FFL has ceased operation and sent the 4473s to BATFE as required; I would expect separate records are kept at BATFE highlghting mutliple handgun purchases whioch would make it easy for BATFE to inspect particular 4473s. The agent who contacted me was interested only in either did I still own them or if not, disposal of the guns. Each had been later traded to separate FFLs a couple years apart so bound book records existed for them, and resale from those FFLs would generate more 4473s. I gave them that info, including name and addresses of the FFLs, he thanked me and we were done. I suspect it was my simultaneous purchase of 2 uncommon guns and the required reporting of that which sparked the interest.
As to retaining that kind of info, I was raised by a Fortune 100 corporate attorney who taught me “if it isn’t in legible black ink on a white page signed by a grownup with witness signatures, it doesn’t exist.” It is possible to have too much documentation in cases where that documentation may be incriminating, but when it’s not, more is better.
August 31st, 2017 at 4:42 pm
Worst Apple product ever!
September 1st, 2017 at 1:02 am
@Alien, wow your IANAL disclaimer may be true but your big biz esq upbringing made you dangerously iANAL, to riff on unc’s funny…resulting in a case study of not just doing it wrong but doing EVERYTHING wrong…
IMO. Of course not only am INAL but IDKS, and YMMV.
Place winky emoti here.
September 1st, 2017 at 9:51 am
@Alien, thanks for that excellent explanation.