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War on women

Women are four to five times less likely to be murdered if they have access to a gun.

7 Responses to “War on women”

  1. dustydog Says:

    Not a reliable study. They conclude “Neither alcohol abuse nor drug use by the victim was independently associated with her risk of being killed” but their table 1 clearly shows that is a deception.

    Obviously, none of the factors are independent from each other. If the girl drinks and uses drugs, she is more likely to date an alcoholic drug user.

    Sole access to a firearm is not independent from living apart from the perpetrator.

  2. Joe Huffman Says:

    @dustydog,

    I think you are missing something. They are comparing the odds a woman being murdered to not be murdered given that she is already in a physically abusive relationship. My looking at Table 1 indicates that the odds, for all practical purposes, are the same in both the murdered and not murdered columns for illicit drug and alcohol use by the victim.

    Are you seeing something here that I’m overlooking or not understanding?

  3. Fred Says:

    Look, If you are being abused by a man, leave. Leave now, fuck your favorite pair shoes, your life is in danger. Men who hurt women are not going to change. YOU ARE IN DANGER FOR YOUR LIFE.

  4. Chas Says:

    A woman without a gun can flap her jaw all she wants, but a woman with a gun can say “no” and mean it. Really mean it. As in “life or death” mean it, in other words, seriously.

  5. Chas Says:

    If I had a daughter, wife or girlfriend, I would be much happier to see her able to defend herself if she had to do so, even if it were with something as antiquated as an old Colt Storekeeper:

    https://www.gunsamerica.com/UserImages/5263/934374323/wm_2690721.jpg

    Hillary, on the other hand, would prefer to see your loved ones’ cold, dead bodies, their throats cut ear to ear, than to see them armed. Think about that. Hillarey really is that evil, because she’s as evil as that.

  6. dustydog Says:

    Mr. Huffman,
    Please look at the expanded table 1 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447915/table/t1/ )

    The first # is the total; the number in parenthesis is the percentage. Compare the percentages, not the total numbers.

    For access to a firearm (which has footnote a), victim non-fatal is 17 out of 343 (5.0%). Victim homicide is 10 out of 220 (5.0%). That isn’t a 5-fold difference. that is a zero-fold difference.

    For the victim: yes for illicit drug use non-fatal is 14.3%, versus fatal for 25.3%. This strongly correlates with perpetrateor yes for drug use – nonfata for 30.4% and fatal for 65.4%

    For the victim, problem drinker yes is nonfatal for 7.9%, and fata for 19.1%. This correlates with the perpetrator stats.

  7. dustydog Says:

    The most striking gun related point is from table 2. For abused survivor victims, the perpetrator used a gun 3 out of 343 times (0.9%). In contrast, for abused murder victims, the perpetrator used a gun in 84 out of 220 cases (38.2%). I’m going to speculate that the 3 survivors where a gun were used were shot and didn’t die (i.e. threats with guns either didn’t happen or weren’t captured).

    The most striking factor overall is for the murder victims, 24.5% had an order of protection. It doesn’t say whether the order was current, or whether they included expired orders. Either way, the take home message is that abuse victims who get an order of protection are at an extreme risk of murder. Even for the crazy jurisdictions (California, Maryland, DC, Chicago)that require ‘good and proper cause’ for getting a carry permit, a 24.5% chance of murder should be adequate. Refusing to give a battered women legal permission to carry a gun should be considered felonious deprivation of civil rights under color of law.

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