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Moore v. Madigan

And then, there were none. Well, sort of. I mean, try getting a permit in NY, MA or CA.

Kopel has some key points

Seems to me the losers were trying to re-argue Heller, a settled matter.

And this keeps happening. The Second Amendment Foundation scores a huge victory. And the NRA jumps in and tries to claim credit. The NRA should just hire the SAF guys and turn them loose.

13 Responses to “Moore v. Madigan”

  1. wizardpc Says:

    Nothing is settled until they win.

    NOTHING.

  2. Chris Says:

    The NRA did not jump in… The Moore case was combined with the Shepard case and heard together.

  3. SayUncle Says:

    Yeah, they did. Just like Heller. Remember Parker v. DC?

  4. Chris Says:

    Shepard and Moore were both filed on the same day.

  5. Chris Says:

    Yes I remember… I also remember Gura calling the NRA out and them getting way less stupid about judicial challenges.

    In this particular case, they both deserve credit. They both spent a lot of time and capital on this case.

  6. Rob Reed Says:

    Hawaii is the worst offender. While technically Hawaii does have a “may issue” permit system, the last time I checked, they only had issued one permit, ever, and that was to the Armorer for the Honolulu PD.

    So, all this talk about “every state but Illinois” isn’t actually true. If you have a permit system, but never issue permits, than you can’t really count that state.

  7. Michael Says:

    Excellent. The next step is to challenge may issue on equal protection grounds. I would love to see the stats that come out in discovery about the avg income of people in NY and CA that have managed to swing a permit.

  8. Mike Says:

    Except SAF didn’t score a huge victory. Both the NRA’s case (Shepard) and SAF’s case(Moore) were joined at the 7th Circuit. You can’t say this was just an SAF victory and ignore Shepard.

    As for McDonald, let’s not forget, Gura argued privileges and immunities and was mocked by the Chief Justice and Justice Scalito. NRA argued due process and it was that argument that prevailed in McDonald, not P&I.

  9. Skip Says:

    Lot of CCW holders in Kali.
    Kinda easy if your county is less than 200,000, harder in the big cities.
    Check CALGUN’s page and it will link to how many holders in each county.

  10. Sebastian Says:

    Both “sides” can legitimately take credit here. Moore v. Madigan was merged with Shepherd v. Madigan. We’d be far better of dispensing with all this bullshit about who deserves credit for what.

  11. Kevin Baker Says:

    @Rob Reed: “Hawaii is the worst offender. While technically Hawaii does have a ‘may issue’ permit system, the last time I checked, they only had issued one permit, ever, and that was to the Armorer for the Honolulu PD.”

    You mean Thomas Magnum carried without a permit?!?!

  12. rickn8or Says:

    Kevin beat me by mere minutes. Guess I shouldna read everyone else’s comments. GMTA.

  13. Standard Mischief Says:

    >Both “sides” can legitimately take credit here. Moore v. Madigan was merged with Shepherd v. Madigan. We’d be far better of dispensing with all this bullshit about who deserves credit for what.

    It’s just people pointing out that the NRA never, ever share credit anyone else. Like the NRA lives in some kind of vacuum or something.

    If you ask me, this hurts their credibility to a small degree. I’ve always had the sense that I’m getting the straight dope from the NRA on the issues when reporting on the RKBA.

    Unfortunately, after years of sharing the spotlight, it seems that the SAF is following suit. I don’t agree with this, but I guess I can’t blame them.

    It would be really good idea, for the sake of the RKBA goals we all support, if these two great organizations could shake hands and start to show a little common courtesy to each other, if not outright start working together.

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