Truth Hurts?
That’s about the only reason I can find for all the butthurt over Romney’s “sooper seekrit” comments. Meh.
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September 18th, 2012 at 10:28 am
I am only disappointed that he tried to soften the blow in his press conference.
September 18th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Pssst! Keep this under your hat! Don’t tell anyone,okay? Did you know that Water is Wet?
September 18th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Or that most of these folks are in red states? And that a substantial number of them are elderly, students, and unemployed folks?
Shhhhhh!
September 18th, 2012 at 11:04 am
As a function of population, I doubt most are in the red states. Probably a higher percentage of population in those states per state since they’re rural and poorer.
September 18th, 2012 at 11:07 am
(Not sure who thought alienating half the population, a half that does pay state taxes, excise taxes, payroll taxes, taxes on SSI benefits, etc, was a good campaign strategy…but it sure has the potent whiff of desperation and oh shit we’re losing in the swing states we need to win).
September 18th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Seems a distinction sans difference–not sure how “we have a higher per capita population of the underemployed, poor, and unemployed with some students and old folks collecting SS thrown in the mix” is exculpatory for Mittens.
September 18th, 2012 at 11:10 am
More here.
FWIW…shouldn’t you do a reality check before stating stuff like this people? Do you really think a full on half of the nation is grifters looking for a handout? Come the fuck on.
September 18th, 2012 at 11:13 am
There are plenty here in Blue-Blue Claifornia including illegals who receive lotsa .Gov benefits – perhaps even more than 47% since we advertise and welcome all benefit-less comers, “Send us your tired-of-workin’, your Poorly-defined recipients, your hungry-for-freebies, your huddled ACORN-masses yearning for more Stuff…” Welcome yo’ Obamafornia!
September 18th, 2012 at 11:15 am
37% in California > 39% in Idaho, which was point. Not sure about alienating half since he made clear they weren’t voting for him anyway so I doubt he’s appealing to them at all.
September 18th, 2012 at 11:15 am
He just lost the game.
September 18th, 2012 at 11:24 am
The point is plenty of us who aren’t in the 47% are also probably not very inclined to see a guy who portrays students, the elderly, and people who’ve lost their jobs through no fault of their own as grifters and shiftless lackey losers trying to get one over on the rest of us.
And I gather that was your point, it’s just not a very good one for defending Mitt or the bassackwards way of looking at this issue you appear to be advocating–as after all, per capita is the more rational way to consider such a thing, as 63% in CA is also > 61% in ID.
The bottom line is Mitt is looking at the polling data and coming unglued, and the “truth” about all this isn’t particular exculpatory for his campaign, for his brand of voodoo economics lite, or for the idea that it’s really rich people who have it rough around here.
September 18th, 2012 at 11:25 am
(First graph should read “…on the rest of us as someone worthy of a vote for POTUS”.
September 18th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Nerve = touched.
I love the anger that “Sure what Romney said was true, but it was unpleasant and mean and stupid politics.”
Which is, I’ll admit, different than the comforting lies politics is supposed to be.
September 18th, 2012 at 11:28 am
You can label the moocher class however you like. But it doesn’t change much.
September 18th, 2012 at 11:32 am
“Sure what Romney said was true, but it was unpleasant and mean and stupid politics.”
Yup.
September 18th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Yeah, except it’s not true. Students, the elderly, people with the misfortune to be looking for work…they’re not “moochers” and the world view that suggests they are seems to require some of that “Fox News Fact Free Devoid of Reality” bubble thing going on…which apparently Uncle has caught a nasty dose of.
September 18th, 2012 at 11:40 am
They are the takers. That’s mooching. Whether we should foot the bill for them is a separate issue from whether or not they are moochers, which they are.
September 18th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Taking out from something you paid into or taking a loan you’ll pay back (and that you can’t even get out of with a bankruptcy…you HAVE to pay it back) isn’t mooching.
What’s hard about just manning up and saying “yeah Mitt…that wasn’t a very smart thing to say”? It’s far more respectable than telling some WW2 vet living in sunny Florida on a pension and a SS benefit that he earned that he’s a “moocher”.
September 18th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Sebastian not the blogger, STUDENTS who are mooching are still moochers. They are taking handouts from the government instead of working or having their families pay their way.
This isn’t rocket surgery. Unless you FEEEEELL bad about it I guess.
September 18th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Oh it was stupid to say exactly because people like you refuse to acknowledge who the moochers are.
September 18th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
I am torn on social security. After all, people were lied to their whole lives about money being put in a fund for them. That was total bullshit. And now ponzi scheme is near it’s end.
September 18th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
I agree. Was it ever sold as a retirement plan, though? It may have been, but I thought it was just to keep The Eld from eating dog food…unless they want to.
September 18th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Does anyone hear the toilet flushing? That’s Mitt’s campaign, circling the drain….
September 18th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Let me get this straight – moochers vote Obama, everybody else vote for Mitt? Gonna be closer than I thought….
September 18th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
I acutally think that is the Middle East taking Obama’s down with it. The Arab Fall is going to do to Obama what the Housing Market did to McCain at this same point in 2008.
September 18th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
When fully half the comments in a thread are from the same person — and most of those are NOT in response to others, it’s a sign that the blow struck home.
And you really should read the actual statement before twisting your knickers that hard:
Does that sound like students and retirees?
September 18th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
The strawmen got stacked pretty high, didn’t they?
September 18th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
I have a friend who’s living on the dole. Unfortunately, there is no way she could make a living of her own. There aren’t that many possibilities for her. She could be in an asylum, in prison, in a cemetery — or in public housing, as she is now. Whichever, the citizenry is going to have to pay for it, if only for the funeral. I feel for her.
But I’m very sure she is going to vote Democrat. Count this as a data point in the arguments.
September 18th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Don’t forget all the moochers in the military. Especially the ones in the sandbox who don’t pay any taxes.
And then there are the thousands of millionaires (over 7,000) who also don’t pay any federal taxes.
I think somebody used too broad a brush.
September 18th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Military people are paid to do a job and also pay taxes. You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.
September 18th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Military in Iraq paid no federal income taxes. http://usmilitary.about.com/od/militarypay/f/combatpay.htm
“Additionally, your military pay, earned while in a designated hostile fire area is completely free of Federal Income Tax (you still have to pay Social Security Taxes, and your individual state may require you to pay state taxes, depending on the laws of the state).”
September 18th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
It doesn’t matter if you pay state, property, sales, or other taxes — if you pay NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES, you are a moocher.
September 18th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
I think Diane is saying the moochers who aren’t in the military should join up. All the welfare moms, dirtbag first of the month recipients, et all can go to the middle east. After all, we all know the Obama administration makes it so easy to perform their duties overseas. Well, unless you are Marine on embassy duty and need actual bullets to keep your ambassador from being brutally murdered.
September 18th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Social security is a federal tax. Let the butthurt flow through you.
September 18th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Social security doesn’t count as a federal income tax. Neither does the Medicare tax.
September 18th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Sounds like some of Dear Reader’s very own nuance!
“You didn’t build that!”
September 18th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Heck, Diane, if you were to deploy to a combat zone, you wouldn’t have to pay income taxes either. Feel free to do so.
September 18th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
I’m just trying to expand the definition to more people like you so it’s not favorable. Is that not the game plan?
September 18th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Social security and medicare taxes are PAYROLL taxes, not federal income taxes. Almost everyone pays payroll taxes. If Mitt counted the people paying payroll taxes, there would be no 47%.
September 18th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Uhm, they’re federal taxes. And they’re based income to an extent. Unlike say the federal gas tax, which is federal but not based on income to any extent.
September 18th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
It’s sad that Diane would parse so thin a distinction between what constitutes federal tax while ignoring that the hardhitting combat troops that qualify for such an exemption are a small group in the military, who many more of which pay taxes–under any definition. Nearly all the members of the armed forces have paid, are paying, or will pay federal income taxes in their productive lives, unlike the chronic welfare moochers who Romney rightly identifies. On the other hand it is comical that the military vote, which traditionally leans Republican by a significant margin, will still have their votes suppressed or delayed by democratic party watchdogs when its time for overseas votes to be counted. Heck, if Diane were honest she would just admit to wanting to spit on our soldiers like the good old leftists of the 60s and 70s.
September 18th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
It sucks that people were lied to for decades when it comes to Social Security, but I am frankly damned tired of my money being stolen from me to ineffectively cover up that lie. It is time to cut our losses (and, when it comes to Social Security, there were MANY), pull chocks, and get the hell out of here.
Likewise, it is well past time to call out liars who imply or state that current Social Security beneficiaries are receiving the benefits they “earned” or “paid for” in the past. That has not been the case for decades (and I would be curious as to when that specific turn-over point was, but given that the first batch of retirees in the 1960s got somewhere around a 700% return on investment, something tells me it was only a few decades after its creation), and perpetuating that myth is simply wrong.
Regarding Romney’s claim, there unquestionably are people who believe the government should provide for them, for whatever reason they might claim, and those same people are very unlikely to vote for Romney, given his half-assed, wholly-uninspiring claims at trying to maybe think about possibly considering doing something loosely related to reigning in the government’s out-of-control and self-destructive spending. His numbers were probably wrong – after all 77.89% of statistics are made up on the spot – but “false but accurate” standard seems to apply here
.
In other news, methinks some folks dost protest too much.
September 18th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
I’m a retired Federal Firefighter, and before anyone makes snide comments we’re the ones who’re saving your precious huggable trees from wildfires. Anyway, I and other retired fed Firefighters I know dont see Romney as targeting us. Furthermore, my parents who’re retired and darwing social security, dont see Romney as targeting them either, and other folks I know who’re on SS or are on unemployment feel the same way.
Romney was referring to the lazy turds who’ve been on handouts all of their pathetic lives who would’nt vote for him anyway since those culls see Obama as their highway to more and endless freebies. The Obamabot welfare trash are the only ones who’re sniviling and that’s because THE TRUTH HURTS! IMHO, Romney did’nt hurt himself at all with that comment.
September 18th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Oh! Come on! 2012 was supposed to be a dire year of political strife! Dead, burnt bodies lying naked in the streets! Carnage galore! Brother against brother! Civil war beyond imagination!
Instead, we get the MSM beclowning itself over someone’s cell phone video of Mitt, “Mitt” Romney giving a public speech to a sympathetic audience.
I want my fucking money back! I’ve been sold a bill of goods! THIS is 2012?!?!?!? It’s worse than four tedious years of Obama! It’s more bland than four years of Bush! The MSM is boring me to death! Oh, the humanity!
September 18th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Its pretty hilarious to see the Obama shills try to jump on a comment by Romney to distract from the actual, concrete and numerous failures by Obama aka Bozo the Clown President.
September 18th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
We owe Iran from ’79. If our Israeli allies need to start something, maybe we’ll get the chance to finish it, with a vengeance.
As Sun Tzu put it, “Not to fight is best”. If Israel has to take out Iran’s nuclear capability, and Iran then does nothing in the Persian Gulf, that would be the best outcome. An overwhelming show of force, that leaves no question as to the outcome, is the best way to make Iran do nothing in response.
September 18th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Let’s do a little video flashback here.
September 18th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
And then there were 6.
September 18th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Romney said what Obama made a little animation (Julia) to tell.
Apparently, you can sell a life of dependency but you really make people mad if you point out they are bought and paid for.
Of course, the people who will take Romney’s words to unhappiness are those who are not temporarily getting help or receiving what they worked their lives for, but rather those who like “Julia” have no independence and look to government for their life. Elections are about the future. Romney was talking about those who expect to continue on the dole. Those on unemployment hope more for a job opportunity in their future. Those on Social Security hope for some effort to stave off collapse. Those wanting public payment for their birth control, they have concerns.
September 18th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
It’s pretty hilarious to see the anyone-but-a-Democrat shills try to change the subject to yet another failing of Obama to distract from the fact that Romney blatantly said that he couldn’t give a fuck about you. And you’re still going to vote for him because he’s not Obama, right?
September 18th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
You will never know how wrong you are until it happens to you. That shit is bracing. It will slap the anger off you so damn fast. I have a story about how my wife and I went from comfortable middle class with good jobs and a concerted effort to save enough to retire, to the very moochers you all are angry with. My wife got cancer – Acute Myeloid Leukemia – at 27. You know what doesn’t give a fuck about how hard you work or how sensible you are with your money or who you blame or which stooge you vote for? Cancer. Like plans and battle, nothing in your life that you count on or think is true will withstand this. A year ago I would have been right there with you angry at the moochers, but then cancer. It’s luck. Nothing you do or believe will protect you, and I think “Fuck that!” Until it happens to you.
September 18th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
Hey Yup, spin all you like, but what Romney actually said in the speech is that his platform of tax cuts doesn’t really connect with those who don’t pay taxes.
Obama’s platform of cradle-to-grave government guidance (paid for by us taxpayers) connects with those folks who won’t care for themselves.
In November it will just come down to how many of each group there are.
September 19th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Diane: Alright, for the sake of argument let’s go with your definition and say that the folks drawing combat pay aren’t paying any taxes that count. Instead, they are going out to a place where they’re getting shot at and half the population is trying to kill them with improvised explosives and/or suicide tactics – and they don’t get any choice about whether they go there or not.
Nope. Taxes or not, they’re still not moochers.
September 19th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Actually, I think the “surprise tape” did Mitt a favor if his handlers let him use it to his advantage.
But at the end of the day Mitt’s words won’t matter a tinker’s damn.
Islamist are killing Americans and rioting against our embassies, we’re being told some stupid YouTube video is the root cause of the Mideast savagery and uprisings, the economy is in the crapper, a Marxist health care scheme was forced down the throat of every American, Obama has just ordered his minions to proceed with QE3, etc, etc..
It’s 1980 all over again…
September 19th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Your tears are delicious, obamabots.
If was good of you all to google up this blog’s post about this timely news article and shrilly cry for us in public.
Now get that shine box, my shoes need work.