I’ve been open carrying here in Indy for about two years now with zero problems other than being asked to leave my gun outside the theater when I went to see the Avengers earlier this summer. (Ironically this was about three weeks before the Aurora shooting.) And on the local gun boards people insist and assume that they will have trouble when they open carry and no amount of actual, real world experience will change their minds.
Hmm, I had pretty much the exact opposite experience: A few weeks back at my workplace, I noticed a fellow with a Ruger LCx automatic of some sort on his hip. I strolled over and said something to the effect of “Excuse me, sir. LCP or LC9?” He replied “9″ and actually seemed interested in striking up a conversation, but unfortunately I was on the clock and really didn’t have time to chat. Seemed like a nice guy. Was very cool about the whole thing.
So every OCer has to be pleasantly chatty with complete strangers and dressed like a preppy accountant?
It’s none of anyone’s goddamn business what he wears or how responds to someone asking personal questions about his lifestyle. As far as I can tell, the dude was going about his day, not hurting anyone and suddenly some asshole is interviewing him about his gun and taking his photo. I’m offended FOR him.
I know more than enough. If you don’t agree with OC or you question the actions an OC’er, you’re labeled as a bigot. Maybe next I’ll be called a mouth breathing science denying knuckle dragging ________.
Whatever. I run into to many OC’er who were total asses just looking for attention or the ability to tell someone to “fuck off, my rights blah blah blah”. I really “like” the digital recorder OC’ers These people came from the same mold. Under educated, under skilled, under employed guys looking for society to finally notice and pay attention to them. This is why you see the fools out there OC dual cowboy guns and other outrageous shit. This is why you see all these negative encounter posts on forums, and the “how many times have you been mistaken for the cops” post. The crave attention, even if it’s negative. It’s a rare occurrence to run into an OC’er who is polite, well spoken, and well dressed. You run into a few of them, but they’re well outnumbered by the rights warriors who are screwing us all with their “fuck you” attitude to anyone who may ask them a question.
I often wear shirts from anyone of the dozens of marathons I run. The last thing I do is give someone a screw you attitude who asks me a question about the race advertised on the shirt I’m wearing.
When you become the grammar cops, it’s because you’re out of arguments to make. If Firefox doesn’t catch the spelling, I don’t put a whole lot of time into proofing a blog comment. There is little return on that investment.
He also has his knife in the wrong pocket. If he gets his right arm shot off, he will be without his pistol or knife…though I can’t tell what is on his left side. Could be a pager (how outre`)…but maybe Pepper spray, intead.
Maybe he has something else hidden up his sleeve?
What caliber was he carrying? Hope it wasn’t fotay.
This guy is well-groomed and wearing clean, well-kept, normal casual clothing, not camo and militaria. He’s simply going about his day and not “making a statement” or looking to provoke anyone. He even decided to minimize the potential (though not supported by actual events) risk of a gun grab by wearing a security holster.
I’m the first to call out attention-whore, mall ninja OC-ers but this guy is the opposite thereof.
He’s wearing a “3T Glass” shirt and walking into what looks to be a window place. I’d guess he works some kind of construction, which would likely make a clean sleeveless tee and shorts normal attire for that guy at that time of the day in TN.
That’s my “rule” for “proper” OC, wear the gun as part of your normal attire and go about your business just like you would with a concealed gun or no gun at all.
That is what “normalization” means and is how to achieve it.
“Activist OC’ers are by nature looking for trouble.”
Oh jesus christ. By all accounts this guy was not some attention whore looking for trouble. He was peacefully OC’ing in public, got asked a question by Uncle, responded, albeit briefly, and then went on his way. How does that translate to his being rude, antagonistic, threatening, activist, or “looking for trouble.”
Perhaps if “sheepdogs” started treating the “sheep” like they’re actual, you know, people then perhaps you could have a constructive dialog. That’s how you bring people into the gun culture, that’s how you encourage new gun owners, and that’s how you normalize open carry.
I know that it probably makes you feel better about yourselves, but pretending that you’re somehow better than other people because you’re a member of some elite “sheepdog” group probably does more harm than good to your precious 2A cause.
Poorly dressed, inked up, shaved head, let me guess a goatee too, pathetic serpa holster, and other shit clinging to his belt and pockets. This, this guy is the image of gun owners.
Wow. Take away the shaved head [replace with long hair] and the Serpa [custom leather here] and you’ve described me. So eat it. Bigot.
(bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group [as a racial or ethnic group] with hatred and intolerance – http://www.merriam-webster.com)
“It’s a rare occurrence to run into an OC’er who is polite, well spoken, and well dressed. You run into a few of them, but they’re well outnumbered by the rights warriors who are screwing us all with their “fuck you” attitude to anyone who may ask them a question.”
I know this will go right over your head, but did it ever occur to you Andy, that the reason why you don’t run into (I.E. hear about) the polite, well spoken, well-dressed OC’er is that by definition an OC’er who just goes about his business politiely while not attention whoring is EXACTLY the type you’re not likely to hear about, notice, encounter etc? Just because the attention whore types are loud doesn’t mean they outnumber the rest of us. Not by a longshot.
I never claimed THIS particular dude was an activist. We all know (of) folks who are however, and looking for conflict with a flip camcorder at the ready is not constructive. That’s my opinion. I have the right to that opinion, just like that kid serving espresso has a right to 900 facial piercings. Do I have sympathy for him when he can’t land a white collar job?
This whole thread is drama, and there’s nothing of value anyone can take away. Wait, that’s wrong – I did get a lesson in bigotry from the internet.
Hey Unc! Got any shots from the SAF After Party at Lidia’s? You know, the one where all those Bloggers dressed like Smelly Bums were waving their Militia Flags had gathered in their Velcro Sneakers? Oh, that’s right! There weren’t any, because instead there was a whole pack of well-dressed (many in suits and nice formal dresses) supporters of the RKBA OCing. You remember, those Uneducated Computer Programmers, Reference Librarians, Accountants, Electronic Engineers, Historian, Lawyers, you know the Dregs of Society.
Breda: I wonder if Andy is one of those guys who seem to think that Women deserved to be Raped because they wore the Wrong Clothes? I always though someone was Bigoted when he Judges a Book by it’s Cover personally. I guess when someone is wearing clothing appropriate to the Later Summer Weather down in Tennessee, and they just happen to wear TATTOOS, why, then I guess that’s okay to assume that they are Scum, huh?
Oh, Andy, having been to Breda’s Home? The only Trailers that are there are the one’s the Landscapers use, and that’s only when they are Grooming the Yards.
Typical OC’er. Poorly dressed, inked up, shaved head, let me guess a goatee too, pathetic serpa holster, and other shit clinging to his belt and pockets.
ORLY? Given my work attire, I rarely go outside of the house dressed in anything but slacks and a polo shirt, I have no tattoos, my hair is currently done up in a ~4″ pony tail, I am sporting what have been termed “epic ‘chops”, I openly carry my sidearms in holsters fabricated by Michael’s Custom Holsters and Dragon Leatherworks, and the only other thing commonly on my belt (aside from reloads) is my >100-year-old hunting knife / family heirloom.
You are kindly requested to print out your specious, narrow-minded stereotypes on the stiffest, coarsest piece of paper you can find, fold it until it is all sharp corners, and shove it up your ass.
Furthermore, given you have shown absolutely no indications of abandoning your knee-jerk, irrational intolerance of all things “open carry”, I dare say “bigot” is the gentlest word one could use to accurately describe your mentality.
I believe Andy. Not hard to get someone to talk about the marathons they run. Hard part is getting one of those self-absorbed, weigh my crap before I flush, 26.2 sticker on the Suburu a-holes to shut up about the marathon. I also agree that he couldn’t run 26.2 dragging his knuckles, even if he band-aided them up like his nipples. Prolly does breathe through his mouth, though. Sorry Breda, with Andy on these points.
“It’s none of anyone’s goddamn business what he wears or how responds to someone asking personal questions about his lifestyle. As far as I can tell, the dude was going about his day, not hurting anyone and suddenly some asshole is interviewing him about his gun and taking his photo. I’m offended FOR him.”
Post 4 Andy: Not everyone is an activist or made of sunshine and happy smiles.
Post 1 & 15 HL: I’m 6’4, 290lbs and I occasionally OC pistols and often OC fixed blade knives in the mid-size range. Never exactly feel like I need to be bigger.
His folding knife is in a fine place. Where his dominant hand can reach it. I happen to usually offhand a fixed blade in my left pocket, and I’ve been known to carry a folder in my back right pocket or IWB on the right when my j-frame is being pocket carried. That said, what if he doesn’t subscribe to defensive knife use?
Bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance based on delineating feature(s) they possess (sex, race, religion, dress, or open carrying a firearm)…
Heh, I CC but not necessarily well (we don’t have to around here) but I’m not a real personable guy, so if somebody came up grinding my gears about it, I probably wouldn’t be farting rainbows, myself. No ink, plenny hair, dress like a teenager. If I saw a guy like that, I seriously doubt I’d approach him unless I perceived he was on downtime, and if he got tense I’d back off. Why does everyone have to be the model ambassador?
I’m with Breda on this one. I’m still a newish shooter, only been shooting for about two years now, but one thing that has chapped my ass is how negative many pro-2a folks are. I prefer to open carry for a number of reasons, not one of which is anybody else’s damn business. I don’t care what my fellow OC’ers look like. If they carry legal that’s all I care about and I assume that there will be OC’ers of every flavor from Biker to buttoned down.
Breda, you may want to re-read Gus’ comment – he was ridiculing Andy for self-identifying as a Marathon runner and taking all of the stereotypes Andy applied against OCers and applying them instead against marathon runners.
All kidding aside, I actually think what Andy and his ilk do is quite valuable. It’s no good pretending that there aren’t factions. It’s like ignoring the cousin who always kicks your dog and insults your wife – just because they’re family.
In a perfect world, I would have both an open carried gun and a hideout, like lots of cops do on duty, and lock the open carried gun and holster in the trunk of the car when going to the PTA ice cream social. And my daughter would have her .22 slung crosswise on her back riding her horse to school and hang it up in her locker along with her coat (the .22 not the horse). And my pocket knife would be a large Barlow that I would use to open the ice cream containers with for the PTA ladies.
I think the socks are navy, to match his shorts. Also they coordinate with the grey of the shoes, which go with the shirt. Note the belt and holster match his wallet. That outfit has it all tied together.
Say, does the Outdoor Channel have a “guns and fashion” show yet? Calling Mike Bane…
I live right outside of DC (literally, if you drew a line from the white house to my house on Google earth it is 7.2 miles) and see people open carrying all the time.
I see them in suits.
Well dressed and poorly dressed.
I see them at the grocery store and the bagel place on Sunday mornings (and in fact, on Monday I saw someone carrying in both places).
Some look like typical government bureaucrats.
Others like motorcycle gangsters.
And some others like any other typical soccer mom.
I think 99% of the people walking around McLean VA are 100% clueless to the fact that people are openly carrying because . . . . with one exception (when I went to a VCDL open carry dinner) I have never run into an open carrier displaying any of the behavior that some are alleging.
Zero. Zilch. Nada.
I did see it at the VCDL dinner – which is the only time I was ever actually scared to be sitting next to someone carrying a gun. . . coincidentally that was the same night I first met Bitter (of The Bitch Girls and Snowflakes In Hell fame personally) – but we had met to go shoot at the NRA range, after which I left to attend the VCDL dinner.
As to fashion – to each their own. This guy has tattoos. Big deal. He’s probably a bicyclist – hence the shaved legs (and I know lots of guys I used to mountain bike with who have arms full of tattoos but you can’t see them when they wear their suit to the law firm).
WTF does ink have to do with anything? Andy, you’re a twat. I spent 15 years in the Army, am a doctoral candidate and have been CCing since I was old enough to do so and OC when it makes sense. I also happen to be mostly sleeved on one arm and tattooed elsewhere. My girlfriend has more tattoos than I do and carries her LC9 everywhere where it is legal in our state. I’m (not) sorry that my/our decision to get tattooed is so patently offensive to you. I’d love to see your peer-reviewed defense of the statement that A-hole OCers are tattooed.