Winning
Someone OCs into the Batman movie. The cops are called but can’t find the guy. They stop the movie and ask to speak with the guy carrying a gun. Three stood up.
No charges filed.
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July 30th, 2012 at 9:58 am
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July 30th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Bet there were a few who decided “concealed means concealed”.
I’d have sat down and shut up, as Mass doesn’t have binding signage, but they do take permits away from lawful people who break no laws, but do things they don’t personally like.
July 30th, 2012 at 11:14 am
I took my 15 and 27 year old to see the movie last week. They both asked me if I was carrying. “But of course” I answered. Not sure if the Regal theaters are gun friendly or not. I saw no obvious signs.
July 30th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Dannytheman: Regal Cinemas are not gun friendly, if the one here is any indication. OTOH, the “signs” are little (as in 2″-3″)transparent stickers on the ticket windows, so you really have to be looking for them to see them. If there are any signs on the doors, I haven’t seen them.
Of course, being transparent, the writing and the “no gun” graphic are hard to see or read, so maybe I’m wrong about what it is. 😉 Either way, their visibility is so ridiculously piss poor that I do not consider it to be there at all.
July 30th, 2012 at 11:39 am
… police were baffled when all three individuals identified themselves as “Spartacus”…
July 30th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
You need to get rid of that mandatory sign crap in TN. It could get someone killed.
If a manager wants to be bedwetter and remove someone for carrying, he should have to find the person himself and trespass him.
July 30th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Yet another criminal-safe zone provided by LEO’s.
July 30th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
IIRC, to be effective, the sign prohibiting carry on the premises needs to refer to the Tenn Code Annotated statute and include specific language that the carrying of firearms is prohibited pursuant to such statute.
And simple signs with a circle around a handgun (usually a Berretta) with a bar over it are ineffective.
I am not positive about this, but I believe that is the way the Tn statute, which lets a merchant decide to forego my business, read is to require specific compliance with it and not the above circle and bar sign or the silly “We understand the desires of our patrons who prefer to carry weapons, and we hope that they will understand our decision to not permit weapons on our premises” signs.
July 30th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Gotta love it, and wonder how many ‘other’ CCWs didn’t stand up???
July 30th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
@NFO: No figures I can back this up with, but personal experience suggests that less than 10% of those carrying will self-identify to non-cops.
July 30th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
And I should add that the other +- 90% will surreptitiously check the chamber, just in case.
July 30th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Christopher, it we got rid of the optional posting signs, then the TN state legislature would get to dictate where we may or may not carry. They did that with “park carry with local option.” What we’ve got now is a mishmash of “some towns you can, some towns you can’t.” And in TN, these signs have the force of law.
Besides, we’ve just got a form of restaurant carry and are scrabbling to get “employer’s parking lot carry.” For once I’d like TN to take the best of what works in other states instead of the worst.
Chris, excerpts from 39-17-1359: (Emphasis mine.)
39-17-1359. Prohibition at certain meetings Posting notice.
(a) An individual, corporation, business entity or local, state or federal government entity or agent thereof is authorized to prohibit the possession of weapons by any person otherwise authorized by §§ 39-17-1351 39-17-1360, at meetings conducted by, or on property owned, operated, or managed or under the control of the individual, corporation, business entity or government entity. Notice of the prohibition shall be posted. Posted notices shall be displayed in prominent locations, including all entrances primarily used by persons entering the building, portion of the building or buildings where weapon possession is prohibited.… The notice shall be in English but a notice may also be posted in any language used by patrons, customers or persons who frequent the place where weapon possession is prohibited. In addition to the sign, notice may also include the international circle and slash symbolizing the prohibition of the item within the circle. The sign shall be of a size that is plainly visible to the average person entering the building, premises or property and shall contain language substantially similar to the following:
PURSUANT TO § 39-17-1359, THE OWNER/OPERATOR OF THIS PROPERTY HAS BANNED WEAPONS ON THIS PROPERTY, OR WITHIN THIS BUILDING OR THIS PORTION OF THIS BUILDING. FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THIS PROHIBITION IS PUNISHABLE AS A CRIMINAL ACT UNDER STATE LAW AND MAY SUBJECT THE VIOLATOR TO A FINE OF NOT MORE THAN FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS ($500). …
(d) The provisions of this section shall not apply to title 70 regarding wildlife laws, rules and regulations.
(e) This section shall not apply to the grounds of any public park, natural area, historic park, nature trail, campground, forest, greenway, waterway or other similar public place that is owned or operated by the state, a county, a municipality or instrumentality thereof. The carrying of firearms in those areas shall be governed by § 39-17-1311.
But unlike Arkysaw and a few other places, Tennesseeans can carry in church. Which comes in handy when the snakes get a little rambunctious.
July 30th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Annd it appears that the “em” tag doesn’t work here, at least not with the “i” tag. Meh.
And yes, I DO envy Tam & Roberta with their $100/lifetime, can drink while carrying Indiana CCWs.
July 31st, 2012 at 9:50 am
chris,
In July 2010 the law changed and the simple “gunbuster” sign is now legally binding.
July 31st, 2012 at 10:29 am
Rickn8or: It’s even better than that in IN; it’s called “LTCH licence to carry handgun” and the law is silent on CC/OC. Yeah, envy me too 🙂
July 31st, 2012 at 10:59 am
Evilwrench, Tennessee law is also silent on open or concealed carry. Unlike other states though, you must be licensed to open carry.
Starting to see what I mean by “picking the worst of what works”?
Still, it’s better than it was; originally you couldn’t carry in a grocery store that sold beer or a liquor store. Then someone proved that you could have a pistol in close proximity (touching even) an alcohol container without having an uncontrollable chain reaction. And a few liquor stores still have the original (increasingly tattered) signs up prohibiting carry there under a law which no longer exists.
July 31st, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Oh my. Yeah, I haven’t researched the whole history of our laws. There has been bogosity, for example local laws that have now been overridden, but still, even though we’re not constitutional carry yet, we’re at only 4 on the brady bunch scale. Still hope for us to get to -2.