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Handgun carry at Carrabas: Does their sign comply with the law?
Bear in mind that while it may not be a criminal offense, if they ask you to leave and you do not, you are trespassing.
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August 31st, 2010 at 9:01 am
Heh, well I can solve this right quik; THey dont serve anything I cant live without. If they even HAVE a sign its enough for me to sppend my money SOME WHERE ELSE! NOT ONE THIN DIME to someone who posts a sign to mitigate my rights! I go to Chillis and Ruby Tuesdays who BOTH stated that CCW people were wellcome in thier places of business when the laws effectively changed. I support the Businesses that support my rights and freedoms as an AMERICAN!
August 31st, 2010 at 10:10 am
This is brilliant.
In a time when many, many businesses (particularly restaurants) are struggling to remain operational (as opposed to in bankruptcy), a national chain intentionally alienates a large group of potential customers.
August 31st, 2010 at 11:06 am
If a property owner asks you to get off his property and you do not, it is assault. If you are armed, it is aggravated assault. You can be arrested for more than trespassing. In some states (Texas for one?), the property owner can shoot you.
August 31st, 2010 at 12:12 pm
NK, I think you mean “criminal tresspass” not “assault”
August 31st, 2010 at 1:18 pm
“PURSUANT TO SECTION 30.06, PENAL CODE (TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF A LICENSE TO CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN) A PERSON LICENSED UNDER SUBCHAPTER H, CHAPTER 411, GOVERNMENT CODE (CONCEALED HANDGUN LAW), MAY NOT ENTER THIS PROPERTY WITH A CONCEALED HANDGUN.”
“CONFORME A LA SECCIÓN 30.06 DEL CÔDIGO PENAL (TRASPASAR PORTANDO ARMAS DE FUEGO) PERSONAS CON LICENCIA BAJO DEL SUB-CAPITULO H, CAPITULO 411, CODIGO DE GOBIERNO (LEY DE PORTAR ARMAS), NO DEBEN ENTRAR A ESTA PROPIEDAD PORTANDO UN ARMA DE FUEGO.”
That is the ONLY sign that matters to you as a patron of a restaurant. At least in Texas. If there is any other sign, then you are gtg. Now, if there is any sign but that prohibiting CCW, then the employees cannot legally enter the premises with a CCW. Or, if the owner or manager of the property tells people they are not allowed in with a gun verbally then you are a no go. Now, contrary to NK said, a property owner can not just shoot you for refusing to leave. If they did, and you lived, there would be a long court battle in which the owner would have to show that you were indeed a threat to his life and others around you. If a CHL holder simply refuses to leave in Texas after asked, an owner may place them under citizen’s arrest or notify the authorities, that is about it.However, if that patron with a CHL were too present his firearm and threaten the owner or other patrons, then yes they need to be shot. When I was a mechanic here in Texas I used to find handguns in people’s cars all the time. My shop welcomed CHL holders. We had a few customers that would bring their new guns up to show us. It all depends on the crew that works at a place, and if they are gay hippies or not 🙂
If you would like to read more into the subject, I suggest you visit this site: http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/chlsindex.htm
That is where the copy of the 30.06 sign I posted came from.
And Spook45, I whole heartedly agree with you. I make a point to avoid those places whether I am carrying or not.
August 31st, 2010 at 1:20 pm
No, I meant assault.
August 31st, 2010 at 1:21 pm
Also, there is the 51% law. If a place of business derives 51% or more of it’s profits from the sell AND consumption of alcohol then they can post a red 51% sign on their door and as a CHL holder you cannot enter their. Howver, even if it is a bar that clearly should have a sign and they don’t you are gtg. I forgot about this one in my initial post.
August 31st, 2010 at 3:17 pm
I knew I’d seen this in the new TN restaurant carry bill. 3(C)i give the circle with the gun crossed out similar effect as a properly worded sign. Or am I reading it wrong?
August 31st, 2010 at 3:19 pm
My favorite sign moment, BTW, was seeing the big red 51% sign at a wine bar… in the secure area of the San Antonio Airport.
August 31st, 2010 at 3:57 pm
JKB, you are correct. The slashed circle is equivalent to the proper sign. If Carrabas was serious about trying to keep us out, that’s all they need. Instead, they are trying to play it both ways.