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The Tea Party movement is dead

Long live the Tea Party. I’m lukewarm on the tea party folks. After all, they could have been protesting Bush’s big government too.

Posted in uncategorized on February 8th, 2010 by SayUncle | RSS 2.0 |

53 Responses to “The Tea Party movement is dead”

Cargosquid Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 9:40 am
Hey, it takes a while for mainstream Americans to figure out this protest stuff. TARP was the wake up call.
Cargosquid Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 9:41 am
Btw, getting “database error” on the link.
Robb Allen Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 10:09 am
Some of us did.
Spook45 Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 10:10 am
very true about protesting bush as well; The one thing tho that seems to stand pout the one consistancy, is the furver to FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION! This is a good thing and the fact that it such a powerful movement pushing toward throwing out ALL of the incumbants, I am all for it. Truth be known, the yare not one constituancy they are a tru mixxing pot and that is what we need. Follow the Constitution, represent everyone as best as possable without selling out to special interest. The Nobama power grab has put or country in a dangerous position, and this may be the answer to the problem. I am all for it, CHANGE we CAN believe in:) BUY MORE AMMO
John Smith Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 10:11 am
I agree with the article. Sarah Palin is a show boater who tries to portray herself as whatever she thinks people want. Like Bill Clinton did. She changed her policies and political beliefs to run for VP taking on whatever Mccain is supposed to be. Then her lovely daughter makes an example that every mother should be proud of.(SARC) She then actually backs down to her critics which she calls regrouping but is really known as laying low with tail tucked between legs. Her latest tirade that the word “retard” is akin to the N-word is not a suprise. Political correctness like any die hard democrat would love.(Think Waxman) Then she does not apply the same standard to Rush? Sounds like political hypocrisy as usual. Now she visits the tea party convention like a winged goddess swooping down to save her servants from themselves then proceeds to go on television acting like she represents the tea party movement, but using standard political melodrama to bolster her status. When are we going to vote them all out. and not vote the same thing back in. I am tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. Why do any of the choices have to be evil? Is that a prerequisite to politics? I was hoping sincerely that the tea party would become a rival to the other parties in this country not a part of them. I guess I am extremely naive to believe that anything changes for the better in American politics.
Standard Mischief Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 10:41 am
You may be a bit premature, but I see what you are getting at. Pat Buchanan did the same thing with the Reform party. Bob Barr did it to the Libertarian Party too.

Unfortunately it looks like the (R) and (D), and the MSM people will do anything to keep another viable third party from upstaging the crud we have now. Roberta points out positive press. Next is cats and dogs living together.

Ultimately I see two things, bloodshed or an end-run around political parties. I’m hoping for the latter of course. We could use a well-armed and peaceful non-political non-organised non-party to endorse independent candidates.

Starve the elephant and the ass. If “Tea Party” gets co-oped by the (D) or (R) folk, we can start the “tar and feather movement”

(By the way, has anyone heard from Nader since things started getting interesting with Obama vs Clinton ?)
yj Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 10:44 am
you people do know that the “Tea Party” is a FOR profit company?
Sebastian-PGP Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 11:14 am
Uncle’s right on the money; as I heard a self described rightwing caller on a late night AM station point out while I was plowing snow endlessly, the Teabaggers didn’t really get exercised till there was a pointy headed intellectual dark skinned fellow in the oval office. There seem to be quite a few dyed in the wool old school honest to goodness govt minimalist conservatives waking up to the fact that they’ve been duped. Running up stupid high deficits and tacking trillions onto our grandchildren’s national credit card was fine when a guy who talks like a shitkicker from TX (but was educated at Andover and Yale) was in the WH. Now all of the sudden we’re throwing a fit?

Fucking please.
Heckler Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 11:34 am
You have to remember that the “Tea Party” movement didnt begin until a commentator on a cable show(in January of ‘09) said something that got it rolling.

There was a growing anger and alarm at the .govs mismanagement and lack of proper regulation on some financial vehicles and the mortgage markets that began way back in Sept. ‘08. It kept building through the end of the year and finally began to coalesce around that one “Tea Party” comment in January. Bush was before the first partys got going. But trust me, there was plenty of displeasure with Bush at those early parties, it just didnt boil out in the open since Obama and the Dems were going so far over the top compared to anything Bush did.
Veeshir Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
After all, they could have been protesting Bush’s big government too.

Bullcrap.
Don’t you remember the illegal immigration protests?
Or wasn’t that protesting Bush?

And besides, the people who are in the tea party were protesting the big gov’t GOP jerks, or didn’t you notice that the GOP lost a couple elections? That’s how most Americans protest, at the voting booth.

When that didn’t work and when it got exponentially worse, the protests started.

Tea partiers aren’t the types to protest at the drop of a hat, they have jobs and stuff.
SayUncle Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
Don’t you remember the illegal immigration protests?
Or wasn’t that protesting Bush?

Were they protesting big government?
Sebastian-PGP Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
You guys are utterly missing the point Uncle’s making. Bush and Obama are spending money at largely the same rate. They have some minor policy differences, but even on the big ones (healthcare being the prime example–the Obama plan is the same one Bob Dole et al posited 10 years ago, but only now is it treated by the teabaggers as the second coming of the Bolsheviks) they’re largely lockstep. They’re both interventionist big spenders who aren’t going to rock that boat–but it’s transparent as hell that there wouldn’t have been this Tea Party nonsense if there wasn’t a dark skinned Chicagoan with a D next to his name in the Oval Orifice. Don’t give me that “we were only getting warmed up during Bush’s time” bullshit, it will not wash. You knew damn well from day one, or at least since 9/11, what Dubya was all about and was up to. For six or seven YEARS he played international cowboy with unlimited pursestrings but we didn’t see the Teabaggers show up till there was a brownskinnned Democrat in the WH.

If you really can’t see how obvious that is, we can’t help you.
Dan Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
I am still waiting for bush to begin a healthcare insurance “reform” nobody wants, a cap and tax initiative that will destroy the economy, and a get democrats elected stimulus bill.
TomcatsHanger Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
The fuck?

Yall are complaining because they didn’t protest the last tax and spend republican administration? Seriously?

Whose side are you on again? Attacking what seems to be a movement that’s on our side because they didn’t get coverage, organized, or protest the last guy doing pretty much the same thing is a GOOD THING???

Divided we fall folks. Stop with the damned dividing already.

No movement, orginization or group is perfect. But when they support an awful lot of the same things yall claim to support, why in the world would yall complain about them not doing it soon enough?

Divided we fall. Stop attacking folks that support most of the same stuff you do.

Divided we fall.
Sebastian-PGP Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
I will give the GOP mad props for it’s ability to sell the sheeple on the idea it’s somehow substantively different and somehow the savior…as Shelby holds up 70 nominees over porkbellies.
Sebastian-PGP Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
Dan–the TARP and stimulus were Bush initiatives. And I already dispensed with the Healthcare canard. Cap and trade is admittedly stupid, but not exactly what’s destroying the economy either.

Dollar for dollar they’re using Uncle Sam’s credit card the same. Your picayune differentiators notwithstanding, what is so hard to understand about what our host pointed out? The primary gripe of the Tea Party is the profligate use of US’s credit card, on which point there are no substantive differentiators between the two parties.

It’s amusing how desperately you want to sell yourself on the contrary.
SayUncle Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
Attacking what seems to be a movement

I said I’m lukewarm. I’m also lukewarm on brussel sprouts. Doesn’t mean I’m attacking them.
monkeyfan Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Suck it up and look in a mirror teabagees.

Why protest “Dubya” when there were already millions of Marx-fellating academics, lame-stream lapdogs, coke choked Hollywood agitprop pushers, and gaian Bolshevik elves already pumping their fists full of one dollar lies for the sake of the Democrats?

Now that y’all have installed your shiny new HopeyChange agents of the gloriously equal poverty stricken future in orfice, dissent suddenly isn’t patriotic anymore.

Your historic 0bama “regime” has managed to combine the very worst manure of the RINO herd’s ass end with the Godforsaken smelliest regressive emanations of the ‘Progressive’ feverswamp.

In other words; You have exactly the government (and dissenting producers) you frakking deserve. Happy?

Of course not. It’s all Bush’s fault…Still.
Sebastian-PGP Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
And pointing out the intellectual inconsistency in a movement isn’t attacking it necessarily either–it’s keeping it honest.
Sebastian-PGP Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
What the fuck any of that rant had to do with the teabaggers being intellectual vapid and inconsistent hypocrites escapes me, Monkeyfan. Enlighten us?
monkeyfan Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
“In other words; You have exactly the government (and dissenting producers) you frakking deserve.”

That’s what it means.
Dan Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
PGP: In your mind you dismissed the health canard (since the vast majority of americans are happy with what we have now), stimulus was passed under Obama’s watch with like three republicans voting for it, and at least you agree with cap and tax.

Here are some numbers you can chew on, so we can put to rest this idea that bush and Obama are the same

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/

Although, why should you be taken seriously since you believe on the delusion that people who do not like obama’s poliies are racist?
Heckler Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 2:05 pm
Sebastion said – “And pointing out the intellectual inconsistency in a movement isn’t attacking it necessarily either–it’s keeping it honest.”
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Dude you are simply demonstrating the same ignorance of the Tea Party movement exhibited by most media and politicians. Get a clue. Go to one, talk to people, ask them questions.

Get back to us.

Or not. I really don’t have time to waste on folks who throw around blanket implications of racism about a group of people they obviously know nothing about. That’s the kind of thing the Leftists/Progressives do when they have no valid arguement.Oh…that’s right, I forgot.
Paul Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
“After all, they could have been protesting Bush’s big government too.”

Big government is big government, Democrat or Republican. We don’t need no stinkin big government.

Simple as that.
Drake Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
I’d love to see MoveOn protest Obama’s constant blame game against Bush, or the Code Pink hippies set up some rolling protests against Obama’s continuation of the wars(complete with signage, accusations of Nazism, shrieking Cindy Sheehan etc) but I’m not holding my breath.

Hypocrisy in politics? Say it isn’t so.
Heather Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
I don’t get it. You can’t protest something unless you’ve been protesting it immediately from the get go? Personally, I’ve not been a fan of the past two administrations. I also don’t doubt that there’s a portion of the tea party doing this for the wrong reasons, who wouldn’t have done it when Bush was prez. But better late than never, I guess? Me, I’m hanging out to see where the wind blows with the Tea Party. I can envision many different outcomes, few of which I like.
straightarrow Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Saying it didn’t happen doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. But leftists believe the word can post event change the deed. Why, because they’re either one of two things evil or insane. Make that three things add insanely evil.

There were a great many people protesting Bush and his policies, for Christ’s sake, he was no conservative and he was constantly taken to task. As for TARP, please try to remember it happened in the last days of his administration, and was the impetus for a great clamoring against him. But Obonehead was expected to do better. Only he did more and harder.

And before the Tea Party there were the Townhallers who have more or less assimilated to the Tea Party, because both groups are against what is happening and they were against it no matter who did it.

I get real tired of the childish rant that “Well he did it too, so our guy is innocent.” That’s childish and stupid.
Sebastian-PGP Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
Yawn…I see none of you actually bothered to offer much of a refutation. Again, the policies are substantively the same…but only now you’re getting all teabaggy?

No blanket implications, but rather an observation you can’t explain away. You guys ignored and excused the same behavior from Bush that you condemn in Obama. While I’m sure that not everyone who opposes Obama does so because he’s black, it’s ignorant in the extreme to pretend that racism isn’t a problem anymore and I have no time to waste on your delusion that it’s not a factor. In any event, if you’re ignoring reality because he’s a Dem or because he’s black, why does it matter? Either way you’re flogging a really dead horse.

Your self delusion empowers the very people who profit from the myth that the GOP is substantively any different. And yup…that’s why we get the govt we deserve.

Dan–Stimulus packages began under Bush. Many conservatives have pointed this out actually to counter arguments from the left that he didn’t do enough. Even if we accept some creative accounting from the Bushies as I’m sure the Obamatrons would counter Heritage is doing, I’m not sure why pointing out that Obama is driving us off the cliff any faster is a defense of Bush, who raised deficits and spending to historic proportions for 8 years with nary a Tea Party. Bush was handed a surplus and fairly fiscally responsible by comparison approach by his predecessor that evaporated during a period of unprecedented profligacy.

Obama might be spending even faster, but he can at least point to the fact that he’s trying to clean up the fiscal disaster Bush left. What’s his excuse?
Sebastian-PGP Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
Heather–what the fuck is hard about this? Why start protesting it when there’s a D in office instead of an R? The hypocrisy is obvious. Why start now?

Hmmmmmm?

Partisanship is the only answer.
Mikee Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
Sebastian-PGP: What evidence do you have that members of the Tea Party put their scrotums into the mouths of other people? Such derogatory name-calling indicates you wish to stop debating the issues they raise by defining them as a group outside the bounds of normal behavior, and thus beyond consideration or debate of their ideas. Such behavior is reprehensible on your part, and does nothing, except demonstrate your failure to control your potty mouth.
Sebastian-PGP Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
And I largely agree with Straightarrow, but would simply add that the “well your guy is doing it even worse so what our guy did is OK” is equally childish and intellectually dishonest.

Pointing out that BHO is going 120mph in 55mph zone doesn’t get GWB off the hook for going 97mph.
Sebastian-PGP Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
Seeing as I am debating the actual issues…I could call them Space Aliens from Uranus, what possible import for the policy discussion would it have?

Nothing says “I’m a petty thin skinned lightweight with nothing substantial to say” like being that well…petty and thin skinnned.

They were tossing tea bags around like it was going out of style. The name stuck. Get the fuck over it.

And I’ll fucking curse as much as I fucking want. RIP George Carlin.
Mikee Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
Sebastian-PGP: This is the second time I have noticed you on this website calling the Tea Party members names, and asked you to stop. What is the point of your continued smearing of these people? If you don’t like their ideas or their behavior, fine and good, go ahead and argue against them. But bile and vile get you nowhere with people who want to know your opinions.
Mike Gallo Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
“Bush and Obama are spending money at largely the same rate.”

?

Only if the scale or unit measure has been changed for the comparison.
Dan Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
PGP, just trying to make you admit that they are not the same. You can put up as much excuses and lame defenses as you want, but the fact remains bush is not nearly as bad as Obama.

I do note you stopped trying to imply the tea partiers are racist. Good for you.
Sebastian-PGP Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
Mike–what you’re missing is that a very reasonable argument can be made that the increasing deficits are a function of reduced tax receipts as the economy has gone down the shitter precipitously in the last few years, and not disproportionately larger spending.

And everyone uses the term teabaggers. I don’t see what the big deal is. If that’s your reason to ignore that Bush was a profligate spender of history making proportions, it’s certainly not my problem.
Sebastian-PGP Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Stopped trying? I never started–I simply pointed out that you can’t pretend it’s not the motivation of some, and in any event the newfound deficit hawkery is hypocritical, no matter what causes it. And the fact doesn’t remain, as I pointed out that deficits are A) a function of tax receipts taking a shit, B) BHO’s spending isn’t proportionately out of line, and C) it probably should be in the short term as 1) he’s got a big mess of Bush’s creation to clean up and 2) in the short term deficits are the appropriate response to the need for economic growth.
Dan Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
And a few libs oppose bush because they they America. Should we refer to all libs as traitors?

Define short term, PGP? As I remember, when the dems and three republicans passed obama’s stimulus, 8% was the magic number.
Dan Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
Hate America, I mean. Damn iPhone.
Sebastian-PGP Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
The cost of the debt under BHO is about the same as under GWB. Deficit growth a function of declining tax receipts. The current crop of panic is partisanship. And suckers are buying into it.

About sums it up.
Sebastian-PGP Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
And no, we shouldn’t. Because that would be stupid. Which is why I didn’t do what you think I did. But you can’t deny that it’s quite the coincidence.

And I find posting on blogs in general, even on a slick interface like the iPhone, via PDA to be difficult.
Heckler Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
Sebastian and delusions.

Sebastian says

“but it’s transparent as hell that there wouldn’t have been this Tea Party nonsense if there wasn’t a dark skinned Chicagoan with a D next to his name in the Oval Orifice”

and then…

“No blanket implications,”
—————————————————–
Really? Who’s delusional?
ATLien Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 3:59 pm
PGP, you’re a fucking dolt. Obama, et al., are going for TRILLIONS, not billions. Numbers have meanings, twit.

And anti-big government protesting has been going on here in Georgia since before Obama was a candidate.
mariner Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
Sebastian-PGP:

Bush and Obama are spending money at largely the same rate.

When I see someone write something like this, I know that intelligent discussion is simply impossible.
joated Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
I figure it’s the old frog in water schtick. Only this time it realized it was getting too hot and decided to, finally, get out of the pot and do something about it. The wake up call may have come late, but at least it was heard.
Gun Blobber Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 10:12 pm
Holy crap. 45 comments debating the history of the Tea Party movement, and not a single mention of Ron Paul.

IMO the “Tea Party Movement” really got its start with the candidacy of Ron Paul in the 2008 Republican Primary. He had the guts to run and get his name out there, and a lot of disaffected, plugged-in, cynical libertarian types suddenly got the word that there were actual people like RP out there trying to work for truly small government. The MoneyBombs and debates got us all worked into a frenzy and in some semblance of organization. It was a “Holy Crap” moment for all of us out there who realized “There really are millions of others who think like I do! Maybe we aren’t all doomed after all!” Once the primary went to McCain, the economic crisis started pounding, TARP went through, Obama got elected, etc., the same people just had to do something with themselves.

So, yes it is grassroots. Yes, these people were around before the Tea Party thing started going. Before Ron Paul, they mostly kept their mouths shut. But his candidacy showed that they can be part of a movement, and I expect that that movement (whatever name it goes by) will continue to grow in power, regardless of any party’s attempts to take it over.

Also, lest anybody forget, the biggest Ron Paul MoneyBomb was held on December 16, 2007 in honor of the Boston Tea Party….. over $6 Million from individual contributors, still the largest fundraising amount in a single day, ever. This well predates Rick Santelli’s comments on CNBC.
Linoge Says:
February 8th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
When I see someone write something like this, I know that intelligent discussion is simply impossible.

Well, he did concede the debate in the second phrase of his first sentence of his very first post, so that is no great surprise.

Everything else from then on in has been a manifestation of “methinks he dost protest too much”.

Personally, having attended a Tea Party back towards the beginning of the overall shindig, I am inclined to agree with Joated – there were not nearly as many Democrats there as Independents and Republicans, but they made a showing, and they were just as upset with things in the past as they were with the present. Straw. Camel. Some assembly required.
straightarrow Says:
February 9th, 2010 at 1:36 am
PGP you either didn’t pay attention or you are conveniently forgetful. A great many of us railed against Bush. Especially over the Patriot Act, which was sure to be and has been abused. Not to mention other totally unacceptable things the sonofabitch did. That doesn’t buy Obonehead a pass.
Nate Says:
February 9th, 2010 at 9:48 am
Sooooo, we are all fucktards if Ron Paul opened our eyes with his national platform? Now that I look back over the past 3, at least, administrations I find a whole bunch of stuff I don’t like, but because at the time I supported them because I didn’t know better, I can’t change my mind about them? OH that’s right, now there is a *gasp* black guy in the white house so I have to shut up about my distaste for BOTH “teams”? How very progressive of you. I’ll await your permission on when I may voice my dissent with the erosion of my freedoms.
Robb Allen Says:
February 10th, 2010 at 10:51 am
PGP, I see teabagger and instantly dismiss your arguments.

If I were to write “Progressive ass-felchers”, you’d do the same.
Veeshir Says:
February 10th, 2010 at 11:21 am
Were they protesting big government?

No, they were protesting the gov’t not listening to them.
That’s what the tea parties are all about. The gov’t isn’t listening.
The GOP lost elections, that’s how Americans protest.

When voting failed and the gov’t got worse and not better, normal people started protesting.

I suggest you go to a tea party protest. See who’s there.
Maybe you’ll be less dismissive.
Sebastian-PGP Says:
February 13th, 2010 at 11:33 pm
Ass felchers? Please. Nobody was going to protests all last summer throwing around ass felching. Tea bags were everywhere on posters, hats, clothes, the TV. They were being dumped out and displayed constantly. You guys are hypersensitive about it for a reason. It’s your own fucking fault the double entendre bugs you.

As for the Obama/Bush spending comparison, the CBO numbers are what they are. The total budgets haven’t jumped much, the DEFICITS have jumped because of reduced tax receipts because the economy has tanked.

Not sure why that’s hard to master…but yeah, if you can’t…intelligent discussion will be hard.
Sebastian-PGP Says:
February 13th, 2010 at 11:51 pm
Point taken…Obama’s spending about a single percentage point more as a function of GDP more than Dubya….but seeing as his predecessors spent that much more year over year many times (and the Great Taxkiller Reaganator spent more as a function of GDP than Obama has…hmmm), but you guys are ignoring that GDP has had a real boat anchor attached to it as of late. If the economy wasn’t getting slaughtered, the spending as a function of GDP (and the deficit for that matter) wouldn’t be out of line.

Oh well, it’s easier to assume your agenda makes sense and scream “OMG Obama will killz us AALLLLLL!L!L!11″ than read the CBO’s spreadsheets.

Remember, I do this to entertain me, not you.

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